How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server
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@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Then some sample installs....
sudo dnf groupinstall "Xfce Desktop" sudo dnf groupinstall "MATE Desktop"Looked at MATE just couldn't get tigervnc-server to run as a service. Can run it manually and VNC onto the machine.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
LXQt and XFCE are what I'd use most for a situation like this.
can I ask why?
I thought the primary use of these were to be used on Old (ancient hardware) that cant support the new versions. ... -
@WrCombs said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
LXQt and XFCE are what I'd use most for a situation like this.
can I ask why?
I thought the primary use of these were to be used on Old (ancient hardware) that cant support the new versions. ...No, the primary use is for a graphical environment that is light and doesn't want to use the GPU for acceleration and impacts the system as little as possible since this is a server's desktop, not an end user workstation.
So both "light" and "GPU free" are very important.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@WrCombs said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
LXQt and XFCE are what I'd use most for a situation like this.
can I ask why?
I thought the primary use of these were to be used on Old (ancient hardware) that cant support the new versions. ...No, the primary use is for a graphical environment that is light and doesn't want to use the GPU for acceleration and impacts the system as little as possible since this is a server's desktop, not an end user workstation.
So both "light" and "GPU free" are very important.
Ah, that makes sense.
Thanks for clearing that up -
I like LXQt. Light and easy, but has that "old school Windows feel."
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Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
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@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
@hobbit666, Dash means remotely!
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@DustinB3403 said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
@hobbit666, Dash means remotely!
Exactly - the only thing that should be on the 'server' is Fedora and KVM and maybe cockpit, then you install your management tools on the machine you'll manage from.
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@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@DustinB3403 said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
@hobbit666, Dash means remotely!
Exactly - the only thing that should be on the 'server' is Fedora and KVM and maybe cockpit, then you install your management tools on the machine you'll manage from.
This is what I was attempting to get @hobbit666 to see with the topic I posted for him.
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@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
I think he is wanting to put his management tools in a VM running on top of it.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
I think he is wanting to put his management tools in a VM running on top of it.
Right - I get that now - but my question is - why?
In a Hyper-V (domain based) setup for a consultant I totally get it. An external machine will be a PITA to configure to remotely manage that server... so a local VM to remote into, the VM being on the domain will make things so much easier... I didn't figure that was the case with Linux based things.
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@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
Why do you want to manage the server this way though? Why not manage this server as a server?
I think he is wanting to put his management tools in a VM running on top of it.
Right - I get that now - but my question is - why?
That's a pretty standard model. That's how ESXi does it. It allows for a robust model instead of a client server one requiring a client installed on workstations.
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@Dashrender said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
An external machine will be a PITA to configure to remotely manage that server... so a local VM to remote into, the VM being on the domain will make things so much easier... I didn't figure that was the case with Linux based things.
If he doesn't want to use Cockpit or the CLI, then something to provide an interface is needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
It allows for a robust model instead of a client server one requiring a client installed on workstations.
Install on every potential workstation is what you meant. There is still a client installed, but only on the management environment.
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So to clarify.
I have a server (desktop hardware but treating as a server setup)
I have only 2 ips I can assign to the server.
All the VMs inside the hypervisor will be on a internal network only as they may have DHCP/DNS SQL other services that we don't want to effect the everyday network.
So my initial thought was ESXi on the server and just use the web interface to do my stuff.
Then Xcp-ng and XOA.But as I've never used KVM thought I would take a dive into that world.
So only knowing about Virt-Manager to manage I was thinking install Fedora Server (don't mind changing to CentOS or Debian or anything) as mentioned install a Management Linux VM that I can VNC/RDP onto to get into the VMs. Or as this thread suggests install a desktop on the server and use Virt-Manager directly.My next thought is to just install Fedora Workstation and enable the Virtualization Group and install Virt-Manager.
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@hobbit666 Not what you asked for but if you are running predominantly Windows in your environment, I'd use xcp-ng on the server and run xcp-ng center from whatever windows computer you have.
As a tool, it's a lot more refined and capable than virt-manager. But only for windows.
https://martin-denizet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/xcp-ng-7.4.1.png -
@Pete-S said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@hobbit666 Not what you asked for but if you are running predominantly Windows in your environment, I'd use xcp-ng on the server and run xcp-ng center from whatever windows computer you have.
As a tool, it's a lot more refined and capable than virt-manager. But only for windows.
https://martin-denizet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/xcp-ng-7.4.1.pngWhile this is an option, this isn't what he is wanting to learn to use. His goal is to setup KVM and learn it, and how to administer KVM.
While I would generally agree XCP-ng is a great option for a lot of people it's not doing @hobbit666 anything to learn the same things he's already done.
The simple solution here would be for @hobbit666 to create a Fedora Workstation VM on his KVM hypervisor (through cockpit or the CLI) and use Virt-Viewer to access this VM.
From this VM, use Virt-Manager to manage the Hypervisor.
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@DustinB3403 said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
While this is an option, this isn't what he is wanting to learn to use. His goal is to setup KVM and learn it, and how to administer KVM.
While I would generally agree XCP-ng is a great option for a lot of people it's not doing @hobbit666 anything to learn the same things he's already done.
The simple solution here would be for @hobbit666 to create a Fedora Workstation VM on his KVM hypervisor (through cockpit or the CLI) and use Virt-Viewer to access this VM.
From this VM, use Virt-Manager to manage the Hypervisor.
This is the route i'm heading to
Also found this about getting Virt-Manager onto a windows machine. Might be something to "play" with -
@hobbit666 said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
@DustinB3403 said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
While this is an option, this isn't what he is wanting to learn to use. His goal is to setup KVM and learn it, and how to administer KVM.
While I would generally agree XCP-ng is a great option for a lot of people it's not doing @hobbit666 anything to learn the same things he's already done.
The simple solution here would be for @hobbit666 to create a Fedora Workstation VM on his KVM hypervisor (through cockpit or the CLI) and use Virt-Viewer to access this VM.
From this VM, use Virt-Manager to manage the Hypervisor.
This is the route i'm heading to
Also found this about getting Virt-Manager onto a windows machine. Might be something to "play" withVirt-Manager is linux only. Virt-Viewer is able to be installed on Windows. Virt-Viewer is a lot like VNC, but specifically for accessing KVM guests. https://linux.die.net/man/1/virt-viewer
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@DustinB3403 said in How to Install Desktop Environment to a Fedora Server:
While this is an option, this isn't what he is wanting to learn to use. His goal is to setup KVM and learn it, and how to administer KVM.
While I would generally agree XCP-ng is a great option for a lot of people it's not doing @hobbit666 anything to learn the same things he's already done.
The simple solution here would be for @hobbit666 to create a Fedora Workstation VM on his KVM hypervisor (through cockpit or the CLI) and use Virt-Viewer to access this VM.
From this VM, use Virt-Manager to manage the Hypervisor.
If one wants to learn it makes sense to install a lightweight desktop environment on the server, like xfce, and run virt-manager there, just like SAM mentioned. The "cost" in memory/cpu/storage of doing that is minimal. For sure less than installing another VM. And if he decides later that he doesn't need it, he can just uninstall it.
For learning, it makes sense to try all management options. He should try administering with
virshtoo.
