Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Bad HR practices are a lot like pirating software. Everyone does it sometimes, and your internal employees all know that they can prove it and if you fire them that they could call someone and get you in big trouble.
I've considered calling in past employers for this same exact thing.
Especially when there are free alternatives and it's still decided to "just use the one that comes from <software company with really deep pockets and massive licensing and lawyer teams"
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@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
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@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yup, goes both ways. BUT, both parties are allowed to give a reference for the other saying "no notice given." One does it through reference calls, the other through places like Glassdoor.
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@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
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@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
That's not bad, it makes it clear that normal expectations are needed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
That's not bad, it makes it clear that normal expectations are needed.
But why should there be such a expectation? Leaving a job is leaving a job, it's quitting. Just one is asking for 2 weeks worth of pay before you leave.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@coliver said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dbeato said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Also what happens if your employer policies require the notice, it does not have a bearing? I understand that in NJ for example is an "employment-at-will" state so they can terminate an employee at any time without notice.
And you can leave without notice as well.
Yep, I saw that. I am just confused why some companies have the 2 weeks notice on their policies.
That's not bad, it makes it clear that normal expectations are needed.
But why should there be such a expectation? Leaving a job is leaving a job, it's quitting. Just one is asking for 2 weeks worth of pay before you leave.
There is a certain about of "no one really wants you to simply not show up one morning." Having a standard that everyone accepts is almost always a good thing. Everyone has the same expectation and really, no one is screwed by two weeks of notice.
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But the point is if @WrCombs wanted to leave his s-hole job this minute. He could just get up and walk away.
Talk with no one, answer no calls and provide no nice documentation. It's a blunt but effective way of saying
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Very few positions are allowed to legally enforce a "exit announcement" at all, much less with any length of time attached to it.
Medicine is one. For Doctors, states can require as much as 30 day notice.
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@StorageNinja said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Very few positions are allowed to legally enforce a "exit announcement" at all, much less with any length of time attached to it.
Medicine is one. For Doctors, states can require as much as 30 day notice.
I did say "very few". See it right there in the part you quoted.
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
I don't believe this. Maybe 50%. I'm used as a reference for a lot of people, and almost never get calls. People ask for references way more than they call them. And even if they call them, they have to also then turn someone down based on the responses. If the response is "we had to fire them for legal reasons", sure. But if it is "they didn't give ENOUGH notice on a contract we won't show you", what buffoon is going to not hire you for that? No one with a functional company, that's for sure.
And that's still assuming that you can't get a single good reference. No one needs twenty of them, no one checks every job. It is SO easy to get good references, there is no real fear in getting stuck with a bad one.I was a manager for 8 employees and with churn had another 4-5 that would list me as a reference. I got calls on maybe 2 people ever. (Magnus and BizDPS). I prefer to leave a LinkedIn reference (A public one) when someone asks about it so they can point to that as an initial starting point. The biggest reference that matter is internal ones to the company you are going to (Like that one time I gave a reference at 3AM for John White lol). HR and managers trust people who know the companies expectations and culture.
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For the last few years, nearly all reference calls have been for interns who were ready to take their first jobs. A little different than a normal reference.
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I've always given 4 weeks. Never had any problems, panics or whatever with that, that usually meant the company actually managed to find a replacement and we had a few days of overlap, so I could hand everything over nicely.
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@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
It's okay for small amounts I think, if the relationship is good. Like "we need one extra week to get through hiring". Like that's cool. We all get along. That's when you are relocating, moving to more pay, taking an advancement, etc. When you leave because the place sucks, that's not going to work.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
I never saw this situation really. I always left on good terms of course, no awkwardness, everything done as correctly and properly as possible. And I (almost) always worked for good companies, under good managers.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
I never saw this situation really. I always left on good terms of course, no awkwardness, everything done as correctly and properly as possible. And I (almost) always worked for good companies, under good managers.
Again, you are the exception.
Most people leave their positions because of the complete opposite of what you've posted.
Good companies AND good managers.
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@dyasny said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
@dyasny you are the exception than.
I've given two weeks and was asked to stay longer. There is no good way to do that. You don't want to be there. They feel awkward with you there.
It's a lose lose situation.
I never saw this situation really. I always left on good terms of course, no awkwardness, everything done as correctly and properly as possible. And I (almost) always worked for good companies, under good managers.
That's pretty rare. Also you aren't in the US.
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@DustinB3403 said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
Again, you are the exception.
Most people leave their positions because of the complete opposite of what you've posted.
Good companies AND good managers.
That is absolutely possible
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@scottalanmiller said in Never Give More than Two Weeks Notice:
That's pretty rare. Also you aren't in the US.
I've been mostly working for US companies though. But you are right, there are reasons I don't want to live in the US
