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    • s.hacklemanS
      s.hackleman
      last edited by scottalanmiller

      I am a little out of the loop with Active Directory terminology. I would like to update an internal application to have it authenticate a user to Active Directory as lightweight as possible. I just need to be able to send a user name and password, and return a true or false if the password is correct. What is type of authentication this called, and does the new Active Directory in Azure support it, or is it to internal Domain Controllers only?

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      • KellyK
        Kelly
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        The short answers are "authentication" is the term and Azure AD does support it: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/develop/authentication-scenarios. There are longer answers, but it is dependent on the application and your level of control over it.

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        • s.hacklemanS
          s.hackleman @Kelly
          last edited by

          @Kelly said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

          The short answers are "authentication" is the term and Azure AD does support it: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/develop/authentication-scenarios. There are longer answers, but it is dependent on the application and your level of control over it.

          The application is mine, so I have complete control. I just see most modern applications are wanting to use single sign on. I don't need it to be that heavy, I am just wanting to use current AD password as a quick confirmation that a person on a shared device is who they say they are in that moment.

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          • KellyK
            Kelly
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            There are some libraries created by MS for Azure AD authentication using OAuth: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/develop/reference-v2-libraries. I am not a developer, nor do I play one on TV, so I can't give more than generalities however.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender
              last edited by

              I'm pretty sure that Azure AD and local AD use different tech to get the job done. So if you want both, you'll have to program it twice.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @s.hackleman
                last edited by

                @s-hackleman said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                What is type of authentication this called, and does the new Active Directory in Azure support it....

                AD on Azure is just AD, plain and simple. But Azure AD is not AD at all, it's Azure AD, a competitor for AD. Your question implies you meant the one that you didn't say.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  @Dashrender said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                  I'm pretty sure that Azure AD and local AD use different tech to get the job done. So if you want both, you'll have to program it twice.

                  Correct, similar names, nothing else really in common.

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                  • dbeatoD
                    dbeato @s.hackleman
                    last edited by

                    @s-hackleman said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                    I am a little out of the loop with Active Directory terminology. I would like to update an internal application to have it authenticate a user to Active Directory as lightweight as possible. I just need to be able to send a user name and password, and return a true or false if the password is correct. What is type of authentication this called, and does the new Active Directory in Azure support it, or is it to internal Domain Controllers only?

                    For AD and other LDAP it would be LDAP authentication while for Azure AD you would use something like this
                    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/manage-apps/developer-guidance-for-integrating-applications

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                    • s.hacklemanS
                      s.hackleman @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                      @Dashrender said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                      I'm pretty sure that Azure AD and local AD use different tech to get the job done. So if you want both, you'll have to program it twice.

                      Correct, similar names, nothing else really in common.

                      Learning! Ok I have been out of the loop for a few years. So I just wrongly assumed that Azure AD was just moving a local AD server to the Azure cloud.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @s.hackleman
                        last edited by

                        @s-hackleman said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                        @Dashrender said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                        I'm pretty sure that Azure AD and local AD use different tech to get the job done. So if you want both, you'll have to program it twice.

                        Correct, similar names, nothing else really in common.

                        Learning! Ok I have been out of the loop for a few years. So I just wrongly assumed that Azure AD was just moving a local AD server to the Azure cloud.

                        That would be correct. You can setup a Windows Server in a VM in the Azure cloud, and use VPN to have it be part of your local AD, but I have no idea how many people actually do that.

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                        • dbeatoD
                          dbeato @s.hackleman
                          last edited by

                          @s-hackleman said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                          @Dashrender said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                          I'm pretty sure that Azure AD and local AD use different tech to get the job done. So if you want both, you'll have to program it twice.

                          Correct, similar names, nothing else really in common.

                          Learning! Ok I have been out of the loop for a few years. So I just wrongly assumed that Azure AD was just moving a local AD server to the Azure cloud.

                          That only would be possible on a Hybrid environment with Azure AD connect (and it is partial sync)
                          https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/hybrid/whatis-hybrid-identity

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @s.hackleman
                            last edited by

                            @s-hackleman said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                            @Dashrender said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                            I'm pretty sure that Azure AD and local AD use different tech to get the job done. So if you want both, you'll have to program it twice.

                            Correct, similar names, nothing else really in common.

                            Learning! Ok I have been out of the loop for a few years. So I just wrongly assumed that Azure AD was just moving a local AD server to the Azure cloud.

                            That's "AD on Azure" which many of us have done as well.

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                            • Emad RE
                              Emad R @s.hackleman
                              last edited by

                              @s-hackleman

                              I think it is LDAP autherntication

                              You can use PHP LDAP like in Drupal project and bind to AD and can authenticate against it and login AD users

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Emad R
                                last edited by

                                @Emad-R said in Help with Active Directory Terminology:

                                @s-hackleman

                                I think it is LDAP autherntication

                                You can use PHP LDAP like in Drupal project and bind to AD and can authenticate against it and login AD users

                                AD uses LDAP, Azure AD does not.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  Tags added.

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                                  • Reid CooperR
                                    Reid Cooper
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                                    Azure AD's Use of SAML Protocol

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