Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?
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@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
What is frustrating for me as a long time Star Wars fan is that any criticism of the new movies is painted as based in some kind of bias. The things I hear across the net is that the people who didn't like TLJ or TFA didn't because the main characters were not white males. I'm sure there are some who hate Rei because she is a she, but I dislike her character because there is no story behind her. She is a caricature. I feel like they are actually doing harm to any social justice/representation cause they're trying to promote by not making her more than a cardboard cut out of a character.
While I've heard this a tiny bit - and I mean tiny - and really only in relation to all the female roles, not the lack of white male roles. Otherwise, most criticism I hear is how they diverged from the books they were, or how hollow some characters are - or how impossible/dumb somethings are (you can take a shuttle to the casino planet, but you can't take huge portions of the crew with you and just rinse and repeat?).
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@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
Rouge One was the only decent one...
If we blow up another imperial battlestation, I am going to fucking lose it! So sick of that plot
Amen BROTHER!
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@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I'm not a fan of the new movies. VII was a rehash of EP IV, really? another trench run? another deathstar?
That whole sucking the light out of a star, yet somehow the star reignites (lights back up)?
Hyperspace through shields? (falcon had to leave hyperspace super close to the planet and not crash)
This part speaks to Kelly's question - hyperspace into ships destroys them? Only thing I can think here is the idea is that they aren't fully in hyperspace yet, just going super fast, so that 'could' make sense.While I didn't like Luke's (OK really the writer's/director's vision) disregard for the Jedi, etc - but I can accept it, not where I wanted it to go - but fine, it's a new direction.
I really did like the new force powers we saw - Luke projecting himself across the galaxy for example.
OK that more or less handles the new trilogy.
Rogue One for me is tied for best movie compared to ESB. It felt like it belonged in that universe. it fills in the gaps - why shooting a small port on the surface actually cased the DS to explode - Great explanation! I also loved all the easter eggs. It felt grand and definitely part of the SW universe. My main complaint - the horrible 3d job on Leia's face at the end. Luckily I didn't get that at all from Tarkin's face earlier in the movie.
Onto Solo - as a space robbery movie - it was fine, fun even - as a SW movie - meh. It filled in some gaps just like RO did, but for the most part I didn't care. There also seemed to be a preachy part in it with the whole pansexual thing ( and EP VIII had a preachy about corporations thing with the casino/arms sales).
In the end I didn't care about any character except Lando - that actor did a fantastic job. I guess I would like to see a continuation of the Maul storyline, but that seems unlikely.I think Solo bombed mainly because The Last Jedi offended so many people. People just hated the direction TLJ went, so they showed that displeasure by not seeing Solo. The sucky thing about that is that Solo was basically an OK movie, not great like Rogue One (to me at least) but definitely deserved better in the boxoffice. And now, because of the wreck that was TLJ caused Solo to tank - now we won't see any more outside the box movies for a while.
I think this is pretty fair. The one thing I'd add is that regardless of anything, Star Wars fans are probably the hardest group of fans to please
Maybe, but I don't hear much grousing about Rogue One. Most people really liked it. TFA and TLJ are just terrible, especially in light of the years of content created by the novels and comics that Disney trashed.
That's because Rogue One wasn't based on a main character from the original films
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
What I would've liked to have seen is for Ep VII and beyond be about the next generations after Han, Leia, Luke, etc. had all died. Leave the old actors out of it entirely, and embark on some new stories.
yep - if you are going to trash all the EU, then just jump 1000 years into the future and start there. Start fresh - and don't have a bloody Deathstar mobile or immobile in it.
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@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
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All writing is pretty basic when you boil it down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots
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@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I'm not a fan of the new movies. VII was a rehash of EP IV, really? another trench run? another deathstar?
That whole sucking the light out of a star, yet somehow the star reignites (lights back up)?
Hyperspace through shields? (falcon had to leave hyperspace super close to the planet and not crash)
This part speaks to Kelly's question - hyperspace into ships destroys them? Only thing I can think here is the idea is that they aren't fully in hyperspace yet, just going super fast, so that 'could' make sense.While I didn't like Luke's (OK really the writer's/director's vision) disregard for the Jedi, etc - but I can accept it, not where I wanted it to go - but fine, it's a new direction.
I really did like the new force powers we saw - Luke projecting himself across the galaxy for example.
OK that more or less handles the new trilogy.
Rogue One for me is tied for best movie compared to ESB. It felt like it belonged in that universe. it fills in the gaps - why shooting a small port on the surface actually cased the DS to explode - Great explanation! I also loved all the easter eggs. It felt grand and definitely part of the SW universe. My main complaint - the horrible 3d job on Leia's face at the end. Luckily I didn't get that at all from Tarkin's face earlier in the movie.
Onto Solo - as a space robbery movie - it was fine, fun even - as a SW movie - meh. It filled in some gaps just like RO did, but for the most part I didn't care. There also seemed to be a preachy part in it with the whole pansexual thing ( and EP VIII had a preachy about corporations thing with the casino/arms sales).
In the end I didn't care about any character except Lando - that actor did a fantastic job. I guess I would like to see a continuation of the Maul storyline, but that seems unlikely.I think Solo bombed mainly because The Last Jedi offended so many people. People just hated the direction TLJ went, so they showed that displeasure by not seeing Solo. The sucky thing about that is that Solo was basically an OK movie, not great like Rogue One (to me at least) but definitely deserved better in the boxoffice. And now, because of the wreck that was TLJ caused Solo to tank - now we won't see any more outside the box movies for a while.
I think this is pretty fair. The one thing I'd add is that regardless of anything, Star Wars fans are probably the hardest group of fans to please
Maybe, but I don't hear much grousing about Rogue One. Most people really liked it. TFA and TLJ are just terrible, especially in light of the years of content created by the novels and comics that Disney trashed.
That's because Rogue One wasn't based on a main character from the original films
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
What I would've liked to have seen is for Ep VII and beyond be about the next generations after Han, Leia, Luke, etc. had all died. Leave the old actors out of it entirely, and embark on some new stories.
I'm saying if Rogue one were about Han Solo or Leia I really think people would've been a lot more critical. There is definitely bias even though you have a valid point about the story elements and plot. Not every star wars fan understands good writing.
That's part of the reason the Solo movie was so harshly received. Even Jason admits that he probably would've enjoyed it had it not been Han Solo or Star Wars
I would have enjoyed it for a popcorn movie - nothing more. Like Under Siege. Seagal is a bad actor, but the movies are still fun to watch - at least to me. They aren't epic like the original Star Wars was.
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@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
Yes, I have to say, other than Rogue One, SW has become BORING. It's just a bad reboot without officially rebooting. The stories are LAME, the characters are one dimensional. There is enough action and music and effects that sitting through it is fine. But it's just a dumping ground for "learning how to write a movie" and clear that Disney doesn't take it (or the fans) seriously.
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@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
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@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@kelly said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I'm not a fan of the new movies. VII was a rehash of EP IV, really? another trench run? another deathstar?
That whole sucking the light out of a star, yet somehow the star reignites (lights back up)?
Hyperspace through shields? (falcon had to leave hyperspace super close to the planet and not crash)
This part speaks to Kelly's question - hyperspace into ships destroys them? Only thing I can think here is the idea is that they aren't fully in hyperspace yet, just going super fast, so that 'could' make sense.While I didn't like Luke's (OK really the writer's/director's vision) disregard for the Jedi, etc - but I can accept it, not where I wanted it to go - but fine, it's a new direction.
I really did like the new force powers we saw - Luke projecting himself across the galaxy for example.
OK that more or less handles the new trilogy.
Rogue One for me is tied for best movie compared to ESB. It felt like it belonged in that universe. it fills in the gaps - why shooting a small port on the surface actually cased the DS to explode - Great explanation! I also loved all the easter eggs. It felt grand and definitely part of the SW universe. My main complaint - the horrible 3d job on Leia's face at the end. Luckily I didn't get that at all from Tarkin's face earlier in the movie.
Onto Solo - as a space robbery movie - it was fine, fun even - as a SW movie - meh. It filled in some gaps just like RO did, but for the most part I didn't care. There also seemed to be a preachy part in it with the whole pansexual thing ( and EP VIII had a preachy about corporations thing with the casino/arms sales).
In the end I didn't care about any character except Lando - that actor did a fantastic job. I guess I would like to see a continuation of the Maul storyline, but that seems unlikely.I think Solo bombed mainly because The Last Jedi offended so many people. People just hated the direction TLJ went, so they showed that displeasure by not seeing Solo. The sucky thing about that is that Solo was basically an OK movie, not great like Rogue One (to me at least) but definitely deserved better in the boxoffice. And now, because of the wreck that was TLJ caused Solo to tank - now we won't see any more outside the box movies for a while.
I think this is pretty fair. The one thing I'd add is that regardless of anything, Star Wars fans are probably the hardest group of fans to please
Maybe, but I don't hear much grousing about Rogue One. Most people really liked it. TFA and TLJ are just terrible, especially in light of the years of content created by the novels and comics that Disney trashed.
That's because Rogue One wasn't based on a main character from the original films
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
What I would've liked to have seen is for Ep VII and beyond be about the next generations after Han, Leia, Luke, etc. had all died. Leave the old actors out of it entirely, and embark on some new stories.
I'm saying if Rogue one were about Han Solo or Leia I really think people would've been a lot more critical. There is definitely bias even though you have a valid point about the story elements and plot. Not every star wars fan understands good writing.
That's part of the reason the Solo movie was so harshly received. Even Jason admits that he probably would've enjoyed it had it not been Han Solo or Star Wars
I would have enjoyed it for a popcorn movie - nothing more. Like Under Siege. Seagal is a bad actor, but the movies are still fun to watch - at least to me. They aren't epic like the original Star Wars was.
Not epic at all. Yeah, this is kind of where I am. If they weren't Star Wars and killing something that used to be epic, I'd find them as good or better than nearly any made for TV sci fi fodder. As it is, though, using the Star Wars IP badly, they are just ruining something great and it feel like they are mocking the entire fan base.
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@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
Exactly
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@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
Exactly
They probably thought it was safer to slowly introduce them and kill off the main characters
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@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
Exactly
They probably thought it was safer to slowly introduce them and kill off the main characters
Slowly? As in waiting for all the real fans to die of old age?
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@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
Exactly
They probably thought it was safer to slowly introduce them and kill off the main characters
Slowly? As in waiting for all the real fans to die of old age?
NOTE: Officially where this thread derailed
Uh oh, here we go. What constitutes a real fan @scottalanmiller
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@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
Exactly
They probably thought it was safer to slowly introduce them and kill off the main characters
Slowly? As in waiting for all the real fans to die of old age?
NOTE: Officially where this thread derailed
Uh oh, here we go. What constitutes a real fan @scottalanmiller
Anyone who liked SW prior to the rehashing / rebooting. People who like the MOVIES, and aren't fans because they heard it was cool to be a fan.
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@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
Yes, I have to say, other than Rogue One, SW has become BORING. It's just a bad reboot without officially rebooting. The stories are LAME, the characters are one dimensional. There is enough action and music and effects that sitting through it is fine. But it's just a dumping ground for "learning how to write a movie" and clear that Disney doesn't take it (or the fans) seriously.
I felt that way about Ironman II and III. It was more like Ironman was a fluke.
Today, Disney only seems to care about making money - Granted - I completely admit that I could not make a better story than they did - but I ask - why not just make the books? People loved them!
People line up to see movies based on books today, why toss that out the window?
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@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
Anyone who liked SW prior to the rehashing / rebooting
This is most people though
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That's who the new movies are for, not for people who like the SW universe, or liked the old movies, or the people who liked the books, or people who thought Carrie Fisher was hot... but are for girls who want to dress up at conventions in outfits and that's it. That's the new pop culture sci fi "fanbase". They aren't fans "of" the film, they are fans "for attention."
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@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
Yes, I have to say, other than Rogue One, SW has become BORING. It's just a bad reboot without officially rebooting. The stories are LAME, the characters are one dimensional. There is enough action and music and effects that sitting through it is fine. But it's just a dumping ground for "learning how to write a movie" and clear that Disney doesn't take it (or the fans) seriously.
I felt that way about Ironman II and III. It was more like Ironman was a fluke.
100% agree. Ironman was decent, but that made it not fit with the rest of the universe.
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@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
or people who thought Carrie Fisher was hot
Can't it be both? Carrie Fisher was definitely hot. There's no question.
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@wirestyle22 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@scottalanmiller said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dashrender said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@dustinb3403 said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
@irj said in Star Wars - What do you like about the new movies, and what is not so great?:
I know let's start out with an unlikely hero on a sand planet, and then have that hero be involved with the most impossible task of destroying a death star or something like it.
Right, its the same plot over and over, the entire plot of every story is the same thing over and over.
Gotta blow up the big guys ship.
As i said - a complete rehash of EP IV... /sigh WTF was Disney/LFL thinking?? Why couldn't it be new?
Exactly
They probably thought it was safer to slowly introduce them and kill off the main characters
Why would they think that? They have the cartoons - granted non of the OT characters save Obi Wan/Vader are in the cartoons (oh and Yoda).
