Network problems
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@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Had a site call in last night, Had a router go down, was wondering if we could just take the router out of the equation and put the modem straight to the firewall, We tried hooking the modem up to the exact same port the router was using, restarted the modem, firewall and the NIC.
That didnt work, had him call his ISP and they suggested they are using static IPs on their network.
Our firewall is set up on DHCP seeing how it only connects to the BOH server we provide to run the POS system and the Modem/router.Im thinking if Anything is set to static it will have to be the modem, and I dont have admin rights over his modem.
Any Ideas how a fix for this?
Cable modems aren't usually set to anything.
You typically have to set whatever connects to the cable modem to either Static or DHCP. In your case you said the firewall is currently set to DHCP. If cox can tell you the IP address assigned to your firewall, you should be able to remote into it.Why was there a router between the cable modem and this firewall? And remember, firewall/router - these are basically the same thing in today's world.
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection. when it went out his site is showing offline, but everything in the site is functioning properly. we just cant connect in via our Command Center Remote tool.
Well, that's likely because as mentioned by you above, you have had a static IP and it's changed. If you call Cox, they should be able to tell you what IP (your customer might have to call them instead of you) and ask what IP is assigned right now, then update your software.
We have the IP address, However I cant connect into the sonic wall remotely (company policy...) so we will have to have him send it in to us.
say what?
First you say
we just cant connect in via our Command Center Remote tool.
Then you say
I cant connect into the sonic wall remotely (company policy...)
So which is it?
This site is currently not connected to the internet so i can not connect in remotely. And company policy is whenever dealing with Sonicwall issues (needs reprogrammed for example) We don't connect in remotely. Unless they have internet or someone is on site.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Had a site call in last night, Had a router go down, was wondering if we could just take the router out of the equation and put the modem straight to the firewall, We tried hooking the modem up to the exact same port the router was using, restarted the modem, firewall and the NIC.
That didnt work, had him call his ISP and they suggested they are using static IPs on their network.
Our firewall is set up on DHCP seeing how it only connects to the BOH server we provide to run the POS system and the Modem/router.Im thinking if Anything is set to static it will have to be the modem, and I dont have admin rights over his modem.
Any Ideas how a fix for this?
Cable modems aren't usually set to anything.
You typically have to set whatever connects to the cable modem to either Static or DHCP. In your case you said the firewall is currently set to DHCP. If cox can tell you the IP address assigned to your firewall, you should be able to remote into it.Why was there a router between the cable modem and this firewall? And remember, firewall/router - these are basically the same thing in today's world.
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection. when it went out his site is showing offline, but everything in the site is functioning properly. we just cant connect in via our Command Center Remote tool.
Well, that's likely because as mentioned by you above, you have had a static IP and it's changed. If you call Cox, they should be able to tell you what IP (your customer might have to call them instead of you) and ask what IP is assigned right now, then update your software.
We have the IP address, However I cant connect into the sonic wall remotely (company policy...) so we will have to have him send it in to us.
correction, He has the IP Address, and will have to send it in with his sonic wall .
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Had a site call in last night, Had a router go down, was wondering if we could just take the router out of the equation and put the modem straight to the firewall,
Firewall and Router are the same thing. All firewalls are routers, all routers are firewalls. Technically the terms mean different things. But in the real world, since the early 1990s, no one has made one that isn't the other. For all practical applications the terms are synonymous and interchangeable.
So the real question is, why would you have both when it is just two of the same thing?
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@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Had a site call in last night, Had a router go down, was wondering if we could just take the router out of the equation and put the modem straight to the firewall,
Firewall and Router are the same thing. All firewalls are routers, all routers are firewalls. Technically the terms mean different things. But in the real world, since the early 1990s, no one has made one that isn't the other. For all practical applications the terms are synonymous and interchangeable.
So the real question is, why would you have both when it is just two of the same thing?
Great question..
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Im thinking if Anything is set to static it will have to be the modem, and I dont have admin rights over his modem.
A modem is a misnomer for a bridge. Bridges (and modems when they existed) can't have IP addresses as they are layer 2 devices, and layer 3 is the first layer with IP addresses.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
We tried hooking the modem up to the exact same port the router was using, restarted the modem, firewall and the NIC.
This won't work because you needed the inside router set to do one thing and the outside one set to do something else. When you removed the outside router, you needed to reconfigure the inside router to be the same as the outside before. It would not be expected to work with the configuration that was working previously.
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@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
We tried hooking the modem up to the exact same port the router was using, restarted the modem, firewall and the NIC.
This won't work because you needed the inside router set to do one thing and the outside one set to do something else. When you removed the outside router, you needed to reconfigure the inside router to be the same as the outside before. It would not be expected to work with the configuration that was working previously.
So the only fix is to reconfigure the firewall/router ?
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
We tried hooking the modem up to the exact same port the router was using, restarted the modem, firewall and the NIC.
This won't work because you needed the inside router set to do one thing and the outside one set to do something else. When you removed the outside router, you needed to reconfigure the inside router to be the same as the outside before. It would not be expected to work with the configuration that was working previously.
So the only fix is to reconfigure the firewall/router ?
Correct.
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@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
We tried hooking the modem up to the exact same port the router was using, restarted the modem, firewall and the NIC.
This won't work because you needed the inside router set to do one thing and the outside one set to do something else. When you removed the outside router, you needed to reconfigure the inside router to be the same as the outside before. It would not be expected to work with the configuration that was working previously.
In his case, the inside router (SonicWall) was set to DHCP, so it could pull an IP from Cox via the cable modem and should allow the SonicWall to get to the internet. Of course their remote monitoring software won't work because the IP of the SW changed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
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@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
And who is that? Is it the owner of the restaurant? If not, I'm sure that tech charged the customer for the router they installed.
In this case, I'm not sure you'd get away from having two routers though - because you'll end up with a pissing match between your company - who supplies and supports the POS system and the IT guy who supports everything else.
Really a small switch between the cable modem your firewall, and the IT guy's firewall is what should have been installed. Then you each control your own segments with no worries about the other guy.
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@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
And who is that? Is it the owner of the restaurant? If not, I'm sure that tech charged the customer for the router they installed.
In this case, I'm not sure you'd get away from having two routers though - because you'll end up with a pissing match between your company - who supplies and supports the POS system and the IT guy who supports everything else.
Really a small switch between the cable modem your firewall, and the IT guy's firewall is what should have been installed. Then you each control your own segments with no worries about the other guy.
From my understanding, He works next door in his convenience store and comes over ot help them out when they have problems when he can. He thought he was helping.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
Is the site being down or IT spending time on this free? Unless you aren't paid, there is money wasted.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
Random tech guy is bringing random personal equipment and crippling the environment? This sounds fishy.
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@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
And who is that? Is it the owner of the restaurant? If not, I'm sure that tech charged the customer for the router they installed.
In this case, I'm not sure you'd get away from having two routers though - because you'll end up with a pissing match between your company - who supplies and supports the POS system and the IT guy who supports everything else.
Really a small switch between the cable modem your firewall, and the IT guy's firewall is what should have been installed. Then you each control your own segments with no worries about the other guy.
From my understanding, He works next door in his convenience store and comes over ot help them out when they have problems when he can. He thought he was helping.
"Helps out." Is no one in charge of the IT? Random people can just put random things on the network? For all we know, that device is a man in the middle and is siphoning off the company's data.
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@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
And who is that? Is it the owner of the restaurant? If not, I'm sure that tech charged the customer for the router they installed.
In this case, I'm not sure you'd get away from having two routers though - because you'll end up with a pissing match between your company - who supplies and supports the POS system and the IT guy who supports everything else.
Really a small switch between the cable modem your firewall, and the IT guy's firewall is what should have been installed. Then you each control your own segments with no worries about the other guy.
From my understanding, He works next door in his convenience store and comes over ot help them out when they have problems when he can. He thought he was helping.
"Helps out." Is no one in charge of the IT? Random people can just put random things on the network? For all we know, that device is a man in the middle and is siphoning off the company's data.
LOL - this is super common. Small business, the owner just calls his buddies to do support.
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@dashrender said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@dashrender said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
@scottalanmiller said in Network problems:
@wrcombs said in Network problems:
Because the Site tech guy decided to add one, as extra protection.
Opposite. No extra protection. Just extra cost and more things to fail, as you can see. There's no value here. The only benefits are to the network team to ensure their jobs based on unnecessary complexity. The business doesn't get any protection here, they just lose money.
He didnt spend any money on the router except when he bought it for his own home. He brought it in and put it in on his on accord.
who is 'he'?
on site tech guy
And who is that? Is it the owner of the restaurant? If not, I'm sure that tech charged the customer for the router they installed.
In this case, I'm not sure you'd get away from having two routers though - because you'll end up with a pissing match between your company - who supplies and supports the POS system and the IT guy who supports everything else.
Really a small switch between the cable modem your firewall, and the IT guy's firewall is what should have been installed. Then you each control your own segments with no worries about the other guy.
From my understanding, He works next door in his convenience store and comes over ot help them out when they have problems when he can. He thought he was helping.
"Helps out." Is no one in charge of the IT? Random people can just put random things on the network? For all we know, that device is a man in the middle and is siphoning off the company's data.
LOL - this is super common. Small business, the owner just calls his buddies to do support.
This is the question I had... is there some central IT that these guys are supposed to use (there is PCI compliance regulations here) or is there not? I'm confused as to what role @WrCombs company plays here. Why are they involved in fixing this if they aren't the IT firm?
