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@dustinb3403 said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
You can safely assume that person was told to represent the interests of that company on this community.
Sure, in that case. But what about people who are simple allowed, or encouraged, to represent a vendor? It's not the paid full time rep that we really think about, it's the casual "let the do what they want and we'll act like we didn't know later if it goes badly" reps that we worry about.
This could be a casual "no one things about it" problem, or in some companies it is coordinated. When I worked in banking they did this for internal customers. They had official people that they could disavow should things go wrong to cover up issues if things went badly. They were very, very official, but not presented as that so that they could claim that they were not "official" after the fact.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Did you miss the line where I work with AAD on my personal shit? Perhaps I know more than you about O365, AAD, and Microsoft in general?
Working with it on your own stuff would not provide the kinds of information you were claiming. You would know things like "some issues and changes are logged here", but you could not know "that changes could not be made without logging."
Dude, are you stupid? EVERYTHING GETS LOGGED, it doesn't require a rocket scientist to know this shit.
So... you are then claiming that the logs were deleted? Whose the conspiracy theorist?
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Again, basic info from O365 training. And knowledge of how it works. Plus I've had people claim this shit, hence I know where to go.
You are projecting and trying to gaslight me on shit you think you know. Knock it off.
You are claiming that MS conspired and deleted logs now. have you lost your mind? MS is not orchestrating some crazy cover up. They made a simple mistake. It wasn't logged. It took them half a day to track down the issue. They found it and fixed it eventually.
Why does this have to be some big, personal thing? Why do you think your cert trumps reality? Look, either you misunderstand the info in the cert, or the cert is wrong. Period. We are past the point of it "maybe being correct." You got it wrong, you freaked out that it was a conspiracy that you got it wrong. Move on, you don't know AAD like you think you do. Nothing wrong with that, it's not a common system for people to know, and it has the potential of changing at any time as it is a live system. No shame in that. But don't try to pretend that Microsoft is out to get us with some huge planned attack on us with a full cover up and everything. This was a simple mistake, and a relatively simple fix. nothing more. Just because you couldn't diagnose it based on cert training doesn't make it some huge thing.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Did you miss the line where I work with AAD on my personal shit? Perhaps I know more than you about O365, AAD, and Microsoft in general?
Working with it on your own stuff would not provide the kinds of information you were claiming. You would know things like "some issues and changes are logged here", but you could not know "that changes could not be made without logging."
Dude, are you stupid? EVERYTHING GETS LOGGED, it doesn't require a rocket scientist to know this shit.
So... you are then claiming that the logs were deleted? Whose the conspiracy theorist?
It's because your account is a vendor reseller most likely. I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
Hence why I was able to login to my personal account, open my AAD grouping, create the account, add the service, and show you the entry.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Did you miss the line where I work with AAD on my personal shit? Perhaps I know more than you about O365, AAD, and Microsoft in general?
Working with it on your own stuff would not provide the kinds of information you were claiming. You would know things like "some issues and changes are logged here", but you could not know "that changes could not be made without logging."
Dude, are you stupid? EVERYTHING GETS LOGGED, it doesn't require a rocket scientist to know this shit.
So... you are then claiming that the logs were deleted? Whose the conspiracy theorist?
It's because your account is a vendor reseller most likely.
Maybe that is the likely case, but we are not a reseller and never were.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@dustinb3403 said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
You can safely assume that person was told to represent the interests of that company on this community.
Sure, in that case. But what about people who are simple allowed, or encouraged, to represent a vendor? It's not the paid full time rep that we really think about, it's the casual "let the do what they want and we'll act like we didn't know later if it goes badly" reps that we worry about.
This could be a casual "no one things about it" problem, or in some companies it is coordinated. When I worked in banking they did this for internal customers. They had official people that they could disavow should things go wrong to cover up issues if things went badly. They were very, very official, but not presented as that so that they could claim that they were not "official" after the fact.
Scott, there is no way to address every scenario. On a community such as this @Minion-Queen has the ability to create community guidelines.
If she doesn't want to do that, then fine. Those guidelines can be as simple as, if you were told to come and represent the interests of your company, please announce who you are and why you're here.
We have to simply go off of the "trust fall" experiment that people aren't going to dick around.
Will it happen, of course, we've already seen this. But you're digging into every "what if" scenario without being willing to make concessions on how to address the rather simple "what if" cases.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
Then you don't have the correct permissions. That's all there is to it.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Hence why I was able to login to my personal account, open my AAD grouping, create the account, add the service, and show you the entry.
I think you are confusing "it gets logged sometimes" with "all actions are always logged and can't exist without being logged." The logic doesn't flow.
If you hit the gas on the car, it might accelerate. The car might also be turned off and go nowhere. Just because sometimes an action does one thing doesn't guarantee that the same action does the exact same thing in all circumstances. No one questioned that some things that you do yourself get logged, all of my actions are logged in AAD. But this wasn't one of our actions, as you already knew.
I think you are convinced we turned off our own account and are so determined for that to be true that you are willing to go to crazy lengths of log deletions and conspiracy when it's the simplest little mistake on the back end by MS. Not an intentional attack, a mistake. People make those, even MS people.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Why does this have to be some big, personal thing?
Because you have called into question my integrity, implying shit that is not there.
And it really pisses me off.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
Then you don't have the correct permissions. That's all there is to it.
Right, I'm not an MS employee, so I don't have those permissions.
Clearly, you know more about this than MS does who fixed the issue.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Why does this have to be some big, personal thing?
Because you have called into question my integrity, implying shit that is not there.
And it really pisses me off.
Hmmmm... go back and read your posts. You made things up and attacked as your starting point. Why did you do that? Why are you so aggressive about MS making such a simple mistake?
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
Then you don't have the correct permissions. That's all there is to it.
Right, I'm not an MS employee, so I don't have those permissions.
@ScottLongHDS you don't have sudo access on my servers. . . why do you think you should have the comparable on Microsofts cloud?
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@dustinb3403 said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
Then you don't have the correct permissions. That's all there is to it.
Right, I'm not an MS employee, so I don't have those permissions.
@ScottLongHDS you don't have sudo access on my servers. . . why do you think you should have the comparable on Microsofts cloud?
Um... what?
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@dustinb3403 said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
Then you don't have the correct permissions. That's all there is to it.
Right, I'm not an MS employee, so I don't have those permissions.
@ScottLongHDS you don't have sudo access on my servers. . . why do you think you should have the comparable on Microsofts cloud?
I never, ever claimed that I had access, should have access, or should be able to see anything. @PSX_Defector said it HAD to be logged and visible and that if it wasn't it was a conspiracy. I never thought that I would be able to see these things, especially since I can see that I can't see them.
You have "who thought what" backwards.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@dustinb3403 said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
I've never worked on an account that wasn't bought direct from Microsoft. I don't know where your logs are but they are there.
It's direct from MS. The logs aren't available to us. Does MS have secret logs? Very possibly. But I don't have access to them I don't think.
Then you don't have the correct permissions. That's all there is to it.
Right, I'm not an MS employee, so I don't have those permissions.
@ScottLongHDS you don't have sudo access on my servers. . . why do you think you should have the comparable on Microsofts cloud?
Um... what?
You stated you couldn't see the logs, that lead MS to fix whatever this issue was.
They essentially have root access, and thus can see everything. That was a bit of a joke about you are just another user on their platform and thus of course you wouldn't have access to everything that MS has.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Why does this have to be some big, personal thing?
Because you have called into question my integrity, implying shit that is not there.
And it really pisses me off.
Hmmmm... go back and read your posts. You made things up and attacked as your starting point. Why did you do that? Why are you so aggressive about MS making such a simple mistake?
Because you have done this shit in the past, over and over and over and over again.
You know I don't post all the time, and I really could care less about this issue because you have a hate boner for O365. But you constantly do this shit, make unfounded accusations, and they are always some variation of a conspiracy.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Because you have called into question my integrity, implying shit that is not there.
And it really pisses me off.
To be clear, you claimed any issue of MS making a mistake was made up and said I was lying about it. MS admitted that they did it, and they fixed it. But you coudln't let it go and had to say that I must have done it, even after we were past the diagnoses.
That's why we are here. You made integrity claims and used information that could (as you and Dustin have since pointed out) only exist to Microsoft employees (permissions to see all logs) to substantiate it.
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@psx_defector said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
Because you have done this shit in the past, over and over and over and over again.
You know I don't post all the time, and I really could care less about this issue because you have a hate boner for O365. But you constantly do this shit, make unfounded accusations, and they are always some variation of a conspiracy.
Actually, you have this backwards. I stated an issue that turned out to be true. MS had an issue that caused our email to fail, and after half a day they managed to fix it.
You regularly can't stand that MS doesn't come off as blameless and instead of accept that MS can make mistakes too, you make unfounded accusations against me and claim things that are not true. And you even took old information about a totally unrelated ADFS issue and brought that in for some reason when this had nothing to do with that.
And you keep using the word conspiracy. You should look it up. Because I have no idea what you think it means, but it means nothing like how you are using it. Conspiracy is very different than accident.
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@scottalanmiller said in Office 365 Email Gone After Forced Logoff:
And you keep using the word conspiracy. You should look it up. Because I have no idea what you think it means, but it means nothing like how you are using it. Conspiracy is very different than accident.
@scottalanmiller we all know you're in the thick of a conspiracy to rid the world of O365.
