China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote
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@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
I agree there should be term limits there for both, but at least in the US these people can (with an act of god) be voted out.
In China though, the guy who is the president, also runs the military and heads the party, and essentially lacks any way at all to be replaced by anyone.
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@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
Trust me, in my circles there is plenty of outrage. This is one of the planks in the article 5 convention of states.
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@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
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@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
Did you miss the unbelievable outpouring of outrage when Turkey considered moving to a US "non-democratic" system last year?
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@scottalanmiller So that I can have a reference to study by. What is the best alternative to the US non-democratic system?
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@popester said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller So that I can have a reference to study by. What is the best alternative to the US non-democratic system?
If you are looking for democratic systems, then look at what the EU requires for its members - they have dual ruling system where there is a prime minister and a president to balance powers, plus they have a multi-party majority system that keeps the "guaranteed two party" system from happening like in the US. They are younger systems that were designed around a desire for democracy after having witnessed the inability of the US system to represent the people over time as it stabilized into a guaranteed two party system where the populace was powerless to make change as getting a single party majority is required, rather than assembling a majority; and where a single person (president) wields far too much power alone.
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Current German politics are interesting to watch for this reason. The need to "form a government" that represents the will of the people after the election is something the US doesn't have. In the US we vote for what we vote for and that's it, done. It's extremely different.
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@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
Current German politics are interesting to watch for this reason. The need to "form a government" that represents the will of the people after the election is something the US doesn't have. In the US we vote for what we vote for and that's it, done. It's extremely different.
Excellent, thank you. I will look more into German politics so as to better understand. :thumbs_up_medium-light_skin_tone:
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@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
Do something about it at your State since you know US congress won't.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp
"The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."
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@harry-lui This is still performed within congress and the house. . .
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@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
Do something about it since US congress won't.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp
"The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."
This is kind of where I am at as well today. The Leviathan is running amok.
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@dustinb3403 said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui This is still performed within congress and the house. . .
They have no control over it and are bound to approve. All hell would break lose if they failed to do so.
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The biggest thing to understand is, individual people are actively trying to get things to change. The issue is there is to much money and vested interest from big businesses that are paying our congress people in donations to their campaign to vote one way.
Which essentially boils down to "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". A congress or house member won't do something that jeopardizes their position and income.
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Which this honestly means that they should be replaced with someone who isn't corrupted. But of course that would never happen because of the above rule "Don't bite the hand that feeds you. . . "
IE congress and the house would have to pass law to stop big business from donating, term limits etc. Which will never happen because it's biting the hand. . .
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What I think should happen more than anything is the process of redacting laws passed by previous administrations needs to stop.
Allow the law to operate for a while, truly look at how the law is impacting the country and global stage. If it's broken provide the evidence and a plan to correct the breakage.
But completely removing the law, isn't a correction. It's an attempt at not biting the hand. . . because someone somewhere with deep pockets isn't making what they used to make prior to the law. So they paid to make the law go away.
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@dustinb3403 said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
Which this honestly means that they should be replaced with someone who isn't corrupted. But of course that would never happen because of the above rule "Don't bite the hand that feeds you. . . "
That is why the founding fathers put article 5 in place. They knew the hearts of men. Article 5 is the mechanism to change it and the second amendment is the means by which to "Hopefully" if necessary protect it.
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@popester said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
Do something about it since US congress won't.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp
"The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."
This is kind of where I am at as well today. The Leviathan is running amok.
As the founding father's predicted it would. They knew that democracy at scale didn't work. Which is why they went for Republicanism not democracy. But republics had never been stable either, just better.
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@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@popester said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
Do something about it since US congress won't.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp
"The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."
This is kind of where I am at as well today. The Leviathan is running amok.
As the founding father's predicted it would. They knew that democracy at scale didn't work. Which is why they went for Republicanism not democracy. But republics had never been stable either, just better.
It's all full of corruption anyways, and will most likely always be... in the end, it's the greed and corruption that will likely end up destroying civilization.
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@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@popester said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
Do something about it since US congress won't.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp
"The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."
This is kind of where I am at as well today. The Leviathan is running amok.
As the founding father's predicted it would. They knew that democracy at scale didn't work. Which is why they went for Republicanism not democracy. But republics had never been stable either, just better.
Ben Franklin called it.... It is kind of like the approach to socialism, it is eventually an abject failure wherever it has been applied, yet groups/generations come along and think that they can make it work. That all of those before us just did not apply it correctly. It is not a simple thing. Are "we the people" a collective to be ruled over or are we individuals attempting to work together? I wish i knew.
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@tim_g said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@popester said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@scottalanmiller said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
@harry-lui said in China ends presidential term limits - The government is defending its vote:
There are currently no term limits on US Senators nor House of Representative either. It hasn't been since 1776. Where is the outrage?
We are ALWAYS outraged. It's a ridiculous system.
Do something about it since US congress won't.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/constitution/amendments_howitsdone.asp
"The other method of passing an amendment requires a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States. That Convention can propose as many amendments as it deems necessary. Those amendments must be approved by three-fourths of the states."
This is kind of where I am at as well today. The Leviathan is running amok.
As the founding father's predicted it would. They knew that democracy at scale didn't work. Which is why they went for Republicanism not democracy. But republics had never been stable either, just better.
It's all full of corruption anyways, and will most likely always be... in the end, it's the greed and corruption that will likely end up destroying civilization.
One of the strengths of monarchies - very little corruption.
