Licenses for APs and Switches
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@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr That's actually another issue. I don't really know how the budget works here, and we don't really interact with our vendors. Just guestimation...Amazon has 3 year licences for the MR32 @ $208 each and $120 for the switch. So that's about $29,240 for a set of 3 year licenses.
Wow... I guess they get some discount, but you could buy hundreds of UBNT APs for that anyway.
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...and matching POE switches, which means even more savings.
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Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly. I still think you'd come out on top over 5 years... But you don't want to hide that aspect of it.
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@thwr Yeah it's safe to assume we got some sort of discount. But still..yeahhhh
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@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
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3 year Enterprise license price on the MX400 is $16k, the Advance Security license is $32k (these are list prices).
As much as I love Meraki (and I do use it), the license pricing is beyond ridiculous...:pouting_face:
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@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
Still would be to get someone in a ladder or lift to do the replacement. I've done a 150 AP organization before that was a good week for two people.
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@coliver Definitely something they would like to see. But if I get approved to get something else, I'm working all day and night to get those in and they don't have to pay extra, haha.
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@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
Still would be to get someone in a ladder or lift to do the replacement. I've done a 150 AP organization before that was a good week for two people.
The question is: Who should climb the ladder? Probably not someone who bills $150+ per hour.
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@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
Still would be to get someone in a ladder or lift to do the replacement. I've done a 150 AP organization before that was a good week for two people.
The question is: Who should climb the ladder? Probably not someone who bills $150+ per hour.
That'll be me. They're cheap, but I know what I'm worth haha.
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@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
Still would be to get someone in a ladder or lift to do the replacement. I've done a 150 AP organization before that was a good week for two people.
The question is: Who should climb the ladder? Probably not someone who bills $150+ per hour.
That'll be me. They're cheap, but I know what I'm worth haha.
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@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
Still would be to get someone in a ladder or lift to do the replacement. I've done a 150 AP organization before that was a good week for two people.
The question is: Who should climb the ladder? Probably not someone who bills $150+ per hour.
That'll be me. They're cheap, but I know what I'm worth haha.
One day I'll be worth that...one day...
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@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@thwr said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@coliver said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
Make sure you include the labor in the comparison as well. Hanging new APs can get very costly.
I guess all the wires are already in place. Shouldn't be too hard to replace them
Still would be to get someone in a ladder or lift to do the replacement. I've done a 150 AP organization before that was a good week for two people.
The question is: Who should climb the ladder? Probably not someone who bills $150+ per hour.
That'll be me. They're cheap, but I know what I'm worth haha.
One day I'll be worth that...one day...
A smiley? I guess you are already worth one
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@jaredbusch said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
and keeping the MX400.
Why keep it? Clean house totally.
I wondered too. Dump that crap.
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@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@jaredbusch He likes the Layer 7 application blocking on the MX. I wanted to bring this up on a separate thread, but since you brought it up :D, I feel like that shouldn't really be an issue right?
Why does he like that? Make him put that feature into a dollar value.
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@scottalanmiller said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@jaredbusch He likes the Layer 7 application blocking on the MX. I wanted to bring this up on a separate thread, but since you brought it up :D, I feel like that shouldn't really be an issue right?
Why does he like that? Make him put that feature into a dollar value.
I would love to. I'm going to include the price of keeping the MX in my proposal.
He says that he likes the ability of the layer 7 application blocking on the MX. But I feel like with appropriate firewall rules I could block those kinds of things, right? Even then the only thing I have under the Layer 7 rules blocks torrenting. -
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@scottalanmiller said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@jaredbusch He likes the Layer 7 application blocking on the MX. I wanted to bring this up on a separate thread, but since you brought it up :D, I feel like that shouldn't really be an issue right?
Why does he like that? Make him put that feature into a dollar value.
I would love to. I'm going to include the price of keeping the MX in my proposal.
He says that he likes the ability of the layer 7 application blocking on the MX. But I feel like with appropriate firewall rules I could block those kinds of things, right? Even then the only thing I have under the Layer 7 rules blocks torrenting.Depends, what exactly is he blocking? And why?
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@scottalanmiller said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@scottalanmiller said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@jaredbusch He likes the Layer 7 application blocking on the MX. I wanted to bring this up on a separate thread, but since you brought it up :D, I feel like that shouldn't really be an issue right?
Why does he like that? Make him put that feature into a dollar value.
I would love to. I'm going to include the price of keeping the MX in my proposal.
He says that he likes the ability of the layer 7 application blocking on the MX. But I feel like with appropriate firewall rules I could block those kinds of things, right? Even then the only thing I have under the Layer 7 rules blocks torrenting.Depends, what exactly is he blocking? And why?
We're looking to block things like P2P, adult content, basically anything a school should block.
Realistically, wouldn't a Pfsense router with a plugin like Pfblocker, or squidguard block stuff like that? I have a pfsense box at home, but I haven't been messing with plugins like I should. -
With that campus the size that it is, I would definitely recommend finding something to handle the Layer7 stuff.
I'm relatively certain you could drop in Ubiquiti APs, and possibly grab a Palo Alto that could work and still come out cheaper than doing the licenses for the Meraki gear.
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@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@scottalanmiller said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@scottalanmiller said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@markferron said in Licenses for APs and Switches:
@jaredbusch He likes the Layer 7 application blocking on the MX. I wanted to bring this up on a separate thread, but since you brought it up :D, I feel like that shouldn't really be an issue right?
Why does he like that? Make him put that feature into a dollar value.
I would love to. I'm going to include the price of keeping the MX in my proposal.
He says that he likes the ability of the layer 7 application blocking on the MX. But I feel like with appropriate firewall rules I could block those kinds of things, right? Even then the only thing I have under the Layer 7 rules blocks torrenting.Depends, what exactly is he blocking? And why?
We're looking to block things like P2P, adult content, basically anything a school should block.
Realistically, wouldn't a Pfsense router with a plugin like Pfblocker, or squidguard block stuff like that? I have a pfsense box at home, but I haven't been messing with plugins like I should.Those are two different kinds of things. One is blocking an app. The other is blocking sites. Iād handle those separately.
