Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM
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@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@hobbit666 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
If you're using SSDs than OBR5 would be perfectly fine as well.
Depends on price, would it be acceptable to have X SSD's just for the SQL VM and then the rest SAS for all other VMs?
Or would you just go for fill the server with SSD/SAS drives?No, don't mix the drive types. As the array will only go as fast as the slowest drive anyways.
If you need a RAID Cache setup a few SSDs for that purpose, but don't mix.
WTF are you talking about here, no where is he talking about arrays. You are injecting pure shit.
An array may only go as fast as the slowest drive in the array, but he was talking about an array with SSD and a different array with SAS.
Clearly you didn't read the topic.
Clearly I did. FYI, his post was post 6 that you quoted, and I quoted your post that was post 8.
You injected this idiototic statement of mixing drives in an array when the OP was clearly just looking at what drives to get to create his arrays on.
And read what he said jackass. He is specifically asking if he should create separate arrays for separate VM's using different disks.
This is bad practice as a whole. Just get the same type of drive and use OBR10 (HDD) or OBR5 all SSD.
Mixing and matching isn't a benefit!
It's tiered storage nothing bad outside of not making a lot of sense with the price of SSDs coming down so much. If he needed a ton of storage and some faster stuff he could get four SSDs in RAID5 for speed and eight 8TB spinning rust in RAID 10 for capacity. Then manually move the VMDKs between them as he needs to.
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@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@hobbit666 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
If you're using SSDs than OBR5 would be perfectly fine as well.
Depends on price, would it be acceptable to have X SSD's just for the SQL VM and then the rest SAS for all other VMs?
Or would you just go for fill the server with SSD/SAS drives?No, don't mix the drive types. As the array will only go as fast as the slowest drive anyways.
If you need a RAID Cache setup a few SSDs for that purpose, but don't mix.
WTF are you talking about here, no where is he talking about arrays. You are injecting pure shit.
An array may only go as fast as the slowest drive in the array, but he was talking about an array with SSD and a different array with SAS.
Clearly you didn't read the topic.
Clearly I did. FYI, his post was post 6 that you quoted, and I quoted your post that was post 8.
You injected this idiototic statement of mixing drives in an array when the OP was clearly just looking at what drives to get to create his arrays on.
And read what he said jackass. He is specifically asking if he should create separate arrays for separate VM's using different disks.
This is bad practice as a whole. Just get the same type of drive and use OBR10 (HDD) or OBR5 all SSD.
Mixing and matching isn't a benefit!
Bullshit. Having multiple tiers of storage (SSD and SAS) is not a bad thing.
It's not a good thing either, unless it's needed.
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@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@jaredbusch said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@hobbit666 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
If you're using SSDs than OBR5 would be perfectly fine as well.
Depends on price, would it be acceptable to have X SSD's just for the SQL VM and then the rest SAS for all other VMs?
Or would you just go for fill the server with SSD/SAS drives?No, don't mix the drive types. As the array will only go as fast as the slowest drive anyways.
If you need a RAID Cache setup a few SSDs for that purpose, but don't mix.
WTF are you talking about here, no where is he talking about arrays. You are injecting pure shit.
An array may only go as fast as the slowest drive in the array, but he was talking about an array with SSD and a different array with SAS.
Clearly you didn't read the topic.
Clearly I did. FYI, his post was post 6 that you quoted, and I quoted your post that was post 8.
You injected this idiototic statement of mixing drives in an array when the OP was clearly just looking at what drives to get to create his arrays on.
And read what he said jackass. He is specifically asking if he should create separate arrays for separate VM's using different disks.
This is bad practice as a whole. Just get the same type of drive and use OBR10 (HDD) or OBR5 all SSD.
Mixing and matching isn't a benefit!
Bullshit. Having multiple tiers of storage (SSD and SAS) is not a bad thing.
It's not a good thing either, unless it's needed.
Right it depends on the use case.
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So what the OP needs to do is get IOPs requirements of his environment, and build toward that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
For the host, OBR10 almost always. If you have an exception to this rule of thumb you'd know it (somebody here would likely say it, ha ha).
I would also do one big VMDKfor the SQL server VM, and partition the disk.... Use a 2TB disk (just throwing a number out there)...
256 GB = C:\ -- OS / Applications
1024 GB = D:\ -- SQL Server Data
512 GB = E:\ -- SQL Translogs / BAK files
256GB = F:\ -- SQL TempDBDefinitely not. You should "never" partition today. If you want partitions, that means that you actually wanted volumes. Partitions are effectively a dead technology - an "after the fact" kludge that exists for cases where voluming wasn't an option - which should never be the case today as this is solved universally. Partitions are fragile and difficult to manage and have many fewer options and less flexibility. They have no benefits, which is why they are a dead technology.
Partitions exist today only for physical Windows installs, where there is no hypervisor and no enterprise volume manager to do the work - in essence, they are for "never".
While I hadn't seen/read anything definitive on this, I was kinda wondering if this was the case today.
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@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
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@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
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@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
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@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
Because you have to manage moving the partitions around. This is a huge pain in the ass compared to just expanding it.
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@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
What happens if you have to resize a partition that is between C and E? The default Windows utilities (as far as I'm aware) won't let you do this.
Splitting it up into separate VMDKs eliminates that issue.
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@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
Because you have to manage moving the partitions around. This is a huge pain in the ass compared to just expanding it.
You missed the topic change - we're talking one partition per disk now. Scott says Partitions are done - over - pointless.
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@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
What happens if you have to resize a partition that is between C and E? The default Windows utilities (as far as I'm aware) won't let you do this.
Splitting it up into separate VMDKs eliminates that issue.
Nope, just easier to use a VMDKs for everything. It's also faster to recover and easier to manage then a single large VMDK.
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@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
Because you have to manage moving the partitions around. This is a huge pain in the ass compared to just expanding it.
You missed the topic change - we're talking one partition per disk now. Scott says Partitions are done - over - pointless.
100% are.
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@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dafyre said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@scottalanmiller said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender time for a video, I guess.
After mulling over your comments and talking it over with someone else, I see the benefits of using several smaller disks rather than one big one. Especially when you can grow a disk relatively easily. That is something I hadn't considered until now.
But why not just use one large disk? then you can expand that as much as you want?
What happens if you have to resize a partition that is between C and E? The default Windows utilities (as far as I'm aware) won't let you do this.
Splitting it up into separate VMDKs eliminates that issue.
Right - so don't have a d and e any more - Only have D.. put all data on D. splitting partitions gives you nothing.
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There might be a situation specific reason to have each something on it's own space, OK fine.. I guess in that case, assign one partition per drive and move on.
But my point was - if you don't need a different partition for a very specific reason, then why have more than one VMDK with one partition.
Now a reason to split might be to put the SQL VMDK onto SSD, while putting data VMDK on spinning rust.
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The OS still needs to assign a letter to use the drive. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
The OS still needs to assign a letter to use the drive. . .
Sure - but so?
Oh and that's not true. Windows has supported mount points for a while now. I know I did it as a test more than 5 years ago.. hell, maybe more than 10.
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@dashrender hrm. . . I might need to do some digging on that.
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@dashrender said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
The OS still needs to assign a letter to use the drive. . .
Sure - but so?
Oh and that's not true. Windows has supported mount points for a while now. I know I did it as a test more than 5 years ago.. hell, maybe more than 10.
It's been around since Server 2012 IIRC. They didn't work well in 2012 but have been working really well in R2 and 2016.
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@dustinb3403 said in Sizing a Server and Disks - SQL VM:
@dashrender hrm. . . I might need to do some digging on that.
