Installing Hyper-V 2016
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@tim_g said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@dashrender said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Oddly I was prompted for a new computer name after joining the domain and providing my username/password to complete that. I gave it the same name I already changed to.
It's possible that MS expects that most will need/want a new computer name when joining a domain, so perhaps they just do it by default after you joing a Hyper-V host to a domain, I'm not sure yet.I do not recall it making me rename it, it just offered me to rename it. Windows has done this for a while. Server 2012 at least. Because I am used to it and always change the machine name at domain join time.
Yeah, you can just hit the "No" button.
Thought so.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Why did you not check the virtualization settings in BIOS prior to doing anything else?
I did, I verified that virtualization was enabled - though it could have disabled after resetting the BIOS.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@tim_g said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@dashrender said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Oddly I was prompted for a new computer name after joining the domain and providing my username/password to complete that. I gave it the same name I already changed to.
It's possible that MS expects that most will need/want a new computer name when joining a domain, so perhaps they just do it by default after you joing a Hyper-V host to a domain, I'm not sure yet.I do not recall it making me rename it, it just offered me to rename it. Windows has done this for a while. Server 2012 at least. Because I am used to it and always change the machine name at domain join time.
Yeah, you can just hit the "No" button.
Thought so.
There was no button, this was on a text screen on Hyper-v.
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@dashrender said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@tim_g said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@dashrender said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Oddly I was prompted for a new computer name after joining the domain and providing my username/password to complete that. I gave it the same name I already changed to.
It's possible that MS expects that most will need/want a new computer name when joining a domain, so perhaps they just do it by default after you joing a Hyper-V host to a domain, I'm not sure yet.I do not recall it making me rename it, it just offered me to rename it. Windows has done this for a while. Server 2012 at least. Because I am used to it and always change the machine name at domain join time.
Yeah, you can just hit the "No" button.
Thought so.
There was no button, this was on a text screen on Hyper-v.
Then it offered a choice. most likely hit enter to keep same.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Why did you not check the virtualization settings in BIOS prior to doing anything else?
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Also, just joining to a domain and attempting to manage will not work. You still need to enable a few things int he host system firewall.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016/10
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Also, you need to setup your network team and such all before you go playing with Hyper-V Manager.
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Then you open Hyper-V manager and setup your vSwitch and your default locations and such.
So many steps to go through to get Hyper-V setup. My god.
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Thyen you can finally worry about creating a VM.
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@dustinb3403 said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Why did you not check the virtualization settings in BIOS prior to doing anything else?
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Also, just joining to a domain and attempting to manage will not work. You still need to enable a few things int he host system firewall.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016/10
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Also, you need to setup your network team and such all before you go playing with Hyper-V Manager.
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Then you open Hyper-V manager and setup your vSwitch and your default locations and such.
So many steps to go through to get Hyper-V setup. My god.
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Thyen you can finally worry about creating a VM.
Not much different than KVM.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@dustinb3403 said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Why did you not check the virtualization settings in BIOS prior to doing anything else?
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Also, just joining to a domain and attempting to manage will not work. You still need to enable a few things int he host system firewall.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/12296/my-experiences-with-hyper-v-server-2016/10
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Also, you need to setup your network team and such all before you go playing with Hyper-V Manager.
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Then you open Hyper-V manager and setup your vSwitch and your default locations and such.
So many steps to go through to get Hyper-V setup. My god.
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Thyen you can finally worry about creating a VM.
Not much different than KVM.
I know, it's just a quip.
Hypervisor devs need to streamline the process a bit.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Not much different than KVM.
Way more complicated than XS though.
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@dustinb3403 said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
So many steps to go through to get Hyper-V setup. My god.
Let's look at each step you have to take with any hypervisor
- Verify BIOS Virtualization
- For most SMB, setup hardware RAID 10 array
- Install Hypervisor on to partition of RAID 10 array
- Add guest storage location to Hypervisor
- Create NIC team.
- Create vSwitch using team
- Hyper-V only: add some basic firewall rules
- Hyper-V only: join to domain
- Set your defaults for guests such as storage locations
- Create VMs
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@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Not much different than KVM.
Way more complicated than XS though.
Totally not.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Not much different than KVM.
Way more complicated than XS though.
Totally not.
I have to agree with Jared, not way more complicated, just a bit more tedious when you go through this process on paper.
Having to add firewall rules and joining it to the domain (while not big tasks) do make things more complicated.
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@dustinb3403 said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Not much different than KVM.
Way more complicated than XS though.
Totally not.
I have to agree with Jared, not way more complicated, just a bit more tedious when you go through this process on paper.
Having to add firewall rules and joining it to the domain (while not big tasks) do make things more complicated.
And it is only 4 lines that you can copy/paste into your powershell window.
Joining the domain is part of the nativesconfigmenu system. -
I haven't done this in a while, and back when I did, it was best practice to not join the host to the domain. Which does make managing it far more complicated. It's always been my understanding that joining it to the domain would make managing much easier. I guess I'm still bitter about using that damn hvremote tool.
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@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
I haven't done this in a while, and back when I did, it was best practice to not join the host to the domain. Which does make managing it far more complicated. It's always been my understanding that joining it to the domain would make managing much easier. I guess I'm still bitter about using that damn hvconfig tool.
It has never been a best practice to not be domain joined. Can you provide some documentation stating as much?
It has always been Microsoft's recommendation that it should be domain joined.
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@jaredbusch Maybe it was never best practice, probably just bad advice from SW for having a single host? I can't remember for sure.
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@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch Maybe it was never best practice, probably just bad advice from SW for having a single host? I can't remember for sure.
That is entirely likely. SW people love to say that you should never domain join because you cannot log in if the guests fail. Just WTF. There is always the original local adminsitrator account on the hypervisor.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch Maybe it was never best practice, probably just bad advice from SW for having a single host? I can't remember for sure.
That is entirely likely. SW people love to say that you should never domain join because you cannot log in if the guests fail. Just WTF. There is always the original local adminsitrator account on the hypervisor.
and cached credentials.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
Not much different than KVM.
Way more complicated than XS though.
Totally not.
I agree. Everything seems complicated at first when you aren't familiar with something and compare it against something you are familiar with.
Take a step back and look at the steps Jared laid out.
The only two things he lists that are Hyper-V only, are beneficial features that you'd want to do to enhance your experience over other hypervisors... at least the joining to domain part.
But each step is basically the same with any hypervisor. But with KVM for example, still need to enable "psremoting" which is like enabling SSH on linux so you can remotely manage KVM and with GUI tools. Same thing kinda.
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@jaredbusch said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch Maybe it was never best practice, probably just bad advice from SW for having a single host? I can't remember for sure.
That is entirely likely. SW people love to say that you should never domain join because you cannot log in if the guests fail. Just WTF. There is always the original local adminsitrator account on the hypervisor.
Only idiots can't log in to their hypervisors if for some reason their poorly implemented domain fails.
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@bnrstnr said in Installing Hyper-V 2016:
@jaredbusch Maybe it was never best practice, probably just bad advice from SW for having a single host? I can't remember for sure.
Definitely bad SW advice. That's one of those perennial myths that gets repeated there. Just like always having a physical DC - you ask poeple why they recommend these things and quickly you always see tha tthey had no idea why and were just saying it. SW has a culture of "recommend anything, no one will quesiton it" and so people start doing just that. So teh amount of myth that gets repeated is really high.
