Suggestions for new APs and Firewall
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@tim_g said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dashrender said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
Not sure if you will need it but I think the Unifi AP AC-HD is the newest version. Slightly more expensive but has ~double the bandwidth available per AP then the AC-Pro does.
Good point - I was actually going to mention the possibility of going the other way - to the Unifi AC Lite. It's less overall bandwidth at the AP (800 Mb vs 1.2 Gb) but still above your internet connection.
The AC-HDs are good for places that have high density of devices, say a lunch room.
Keep in mind that 800 Mb is 100 MB. So, divide that by the amount of wireless devices connected to it. It's not so great anymore and is why you need to have enough to split the connected devices proportionately.
If everyone is using web only based connections (i.e. no local network servers), that 800 Mb (100 MB) is still greater than the 500 Mb (62.5 MB) that they currently have for internet access. So paying for more would be a complete waste.
Reasons for buying the Pro in my mind are 1) more densely populated areas, but not so dense as to need AC-HD and/or 2) onside servers offering 1 Gb+ connections that it's reasonable for a single wireless device to use that much speed
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@dashrender said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@tim_g said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dashrender said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
Not sure if you will need it but I think the Unifi AP AC-HD is the newest version. Slightly more expensive but has ~double the bandwidth available per AP then the AC-Pro does.
Good point - I was actually going to mention the possibility of going the other way - to the Unifi AC Lite. It's less overall bandwidth at the AP (800 Mb vs 1.2 Gb) but still above your internet connection.
The AC-HDs are good for places that have high density of devices, say a lunch room.
Keep in mind that 800 Mb is 100 MB. So, divide that by the amount of wireless devices connected to it. It's not so great anymore and is why you need to have enough to split the connected devices proportionately.
If everyone is using web only based connections (i.e. no local network servers), that 800 Mb (100 MB) is still greater than the 500 Mb (62.5 MB) that they currently have for internet access. So paying for more would be a complete waste.
Reasons for buying the Pro in my mind are 1) more densely populated areas, but not so dense as to need AC-HD and/or 2) onside servers offering 1 Gb+ connections that it's reasonable for a single wireless device to use that much speed
Yeah that's true... i seen he said "campus" so it's probably just everyone's school laptops and cell phones. No need for LAN stuff except DHCP and whatever. School resources are probably few.
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You could also snag a Pro and an AC-HD for demoing and see how well they work in the concrete & rebar dorms.
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@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
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@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
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@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
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@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
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@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
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@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
You will want to use the ER-PRO. The CPU in the ERL will slow you down.
The new ER4 & ER6 models are going to be awesome, but they are still beta products.
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@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
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@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that. What are the speeds of the routing, without adding on functions? I'm getting 160Mb/s with the CPU at idle.
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@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that. What are the speeds of the routing, without adding on functions? I'm getting 160Mb/s with the CPU at idle.
Do you have 160mbps up with your basic SIP/RTP traffic shaping rules applied to the router? I will guarantee that you do not.
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@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that.
Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?
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@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that. What are the speeds of the routing, without adding on functions? I'm getting 160Mb/s with the CPU at idle.
Do you have 160mbps up with your basic SIP/RTP traffic shaping rules applied to the router? I will guarantee that you do not.
No, don't need them. Which is good, no need to put QoS latency on the CPUs.
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@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that.
Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?
Actually, most do not in the SMB. That's rare. Especially as most SMBs don't have equipment that can handle it at speed. Think about your own statements that things like ADSL with consumer grade, ISP supplied equipment is all over the place. You can't honestly say that anyone anywhere close to that category is traffic shaping.
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@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that.
Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?
Actually, most do not in the SMB. That's rare. Especially as most SMBs don't have equipment that can handle it at speed. Think about your own statements that things like ADSL with consumer grade, ISP supplied equipment is all over the place. You can't honestly say that anyone anywhere close to that category is traffic shaping.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Either this is being setup correctly on quality gear, or just tell the OP to use a Linksys router.
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@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
@dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.
Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.
My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?
Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.
ERL
Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.
You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).
What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.
With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.
Yes, but we aren't talking about that.
Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?
Actually, most do not in the SMB. That's rare. Especially as most SMBs don't have equipment that can handle it at speed. Think about your own statements that things like ADSL with consumer grade, ISP supplied equipment is all over the place. You can't honestly say that anyone anywhere close to that category is traffic shaping.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Either this is being setup correctly on quality gear, or just tell the OP to use a Linksys router.
That was my point. It can't be all "people don't use real gear" and "most everyone uses real gear and does QoS". One or the other.
Reality is, it's rather a rare SMB that does this. And many don't need it. Only those big enough to have contention issues, with small pipes, that use certain services over shared lines. While that's a lot, it's a lot that don't fit into that, too.
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What what number of VOIP devices would you really need to start worrying about traffic shaping
Assume 25/3 ISP connection?
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@dashrender said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:
What what number of VOIP devices would you really need to start worrying about traffic shaping
Assume 25/3 ISP connection?
I keep saying this... number of users, number of devices... these are not factors in bandwidth decisions.
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You need to worry about traffic shaping when your high priority traffic is gaining unacceptable latency caused by low priority traffick saturating the outbound connection. That's it.
