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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

      @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

      @jaredbusch said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

      Honestly I had no idea that the PERC allowed expansion.

      Yeah, more specifically, on-line expansion. I should have specified that above.

      This is being done through Dell's OMSA.

      Keep in mind that mirrored RAID expansion is not reconstruction. Very different things.

      Only Parity RAID has a reconstruction/expansion mixed operation.

      For mirrored RAID to grow, it has to move ALL data off of the original array, rebuild it, and put it all back. It's an insanely enormous operation and there is little operating space for the system to do that. It's actually a pretty amazing technical feat. I can come up with ways to do it, but they are incredibly intensive and require special hardware support. Doable, but there is a reason it is slow.

      I see, that makes sense.

      I keep using "reconstruction" because that's the "state" of the virtual disk:

      0_1510159139750_Untitled.jpg

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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        @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

        @scottalanmiller said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

        @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

        @jaredbusch said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

        Honestly I had no idea that the PERC allowed expansion.

        Yeah, more specifically, on-line expansion. I should have specified that above.

        This is being done through Dell's OMSA.

        Keep in mind that mirrored RAID expansion is not reconstruction. Very different things.

        Only Parity RAID has a reconstruction/expansion mixed operation.

        For mirrored RAID to grow, it has to move ALL data off of the original array, rebuild it, and put it all back. It's an insanely enormous operation and there is little operating space for the system to do that. It's actually a pretty amazing technical feat. I can come up with ways to do it, but they are incredibly intensive and require special hardware support. Doable, but there is a reason it is slow.

        I see, that makes sense.

        I keep using "reconstruction" because that's the "state" of the virtual disk:

        0_1510159139750_Untitled.jpg

        Right, well it IS reconstructing. But the term means something different than it does with RAID 5 or 6. With RAID F reconstruction is literally "we told the array it was broken, that the parity wasn't parity but actual data and told it to restore parity to the new drive." Which is just a fancy way to say "We downgraded this RAID 6 to a RAID 5, added a disk and told it to recover."

        With RAID 10, it's "we are reconstructing the data from scratch in a way that is totally unlike any RAID operation."

        So one is a reconstruction of your RAID array, the other is inherent RAID reconstruction.

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        • Reid CooperR
          Reid Cooper
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          Has the percentage increased?

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          • ObsolesceO
            Obsolesce
            last edited by

            Still at 3%... does about 3% per day so far.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
              last edited by

              @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

              Still at 3%... does about 3% per day so far.

              That feels pretty slow 🙂

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              • travisdh1T
                travisdh1 @Obsolesce
                last edited by

                @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

                Still at 3%... does about 3% per day so far.

                Ouch. Good luck.

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                • dbeatoD
                  dbeato @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller It depends, see below:
                  https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln305744/dell-poweredge--how-to-expand-or-extend-a-virtual-disk-?lang=en

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                  • dbeatoD
                    dbeato
                    last edited by

                    Youtube Video

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      It's at 7% now!

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                        last edited by

                        @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

                        It's at 7% now!

                        Speeding right along.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

                          @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

                          It's at 7% now!

                          Speeding right along.

                          Yeah, it's going nowhere fast!

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                          • Reid CooperR
                            Reid Cooper
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                            At least it is moving a little.

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce
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                              Oh I must not have refreshed the page or something... it says 11% now.

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                              • ObsolesceO
                                Obsolesce
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                                Either that or something caused a bump in percentage... no idea.

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                                • dbeatoD
                                  dbeato @Obsolesce
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                                  @tim_g That's much better

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
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                                    @tim_g said in RAID10 Expansion/Reconstruction:

                                    Oh I must not have refreshed the page or something... it says 11% now.

                                    Well, now it is just screaming along.

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                                    • Reid CooperR
                                      Reid Cooper
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                                      It's moving at least. Is the array in heavy use while this is going on?

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