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@tim_g said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
So what exactly is the purpose of the desktop then?
To run GUI apps... which is what you want on your desktop.
that's not where they run. GUI apps run over the top of the desktop, not on the desktop itself. The desktop was designed originally, and remains still, solely for a place to hold icons.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@tim_g said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
So what exactly is the purpose of the desktop then?
To run GUI apps... which is what you want on your desktop.
that's not where they run. GUI apps run over the top of the desktop, not on the desktop itself. The desktop was designed originally, and remains still, solely for a place to hold icons.
"on", "on top of", "over the top of", whatever man..., I get ya.
I seen it as 2 dimensional, but see what you mean.
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@tim_g said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@tim_g said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
So what exactly is the purpose of the desktop then?
To run GUI apps... which is what you want on your desktop.
that's not where they run. GUI apps run over the top of the desktop, not on the desktop itself. The desktop was designed originally, and remains still, solely for a place to hold icons.
"on", "on top of", "over the top of", whatever man..., I get ya.
I seen it as 2 dimensional, but see what you mean.
Kind of like the difference having a stick note on my physical desktop at home, or holding a tablet that I'm using while sitting at the desk.
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@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
So what exactly is the purpose of the desktop then?
I don't see it has an issue since there are other Desktop environments to choose from that still supports storing items on Desktop. And plus the Nautilus developer is developing an gnome extension.
I never have icons on my desktop. Much easier to just hit Windows key and type what I want.
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@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
So what exactly is the purpose of the desktop then?
I don't see it has an issue since there are other Desktop environments to choose from that still supports storing items on Desktop. And plus the Nautilus developer is developing an gnome extension.
I never have icons on my desktop. Much easier to just hit Windows key and type what I want.
That's fine, I do that too, but then why have a desktop at all? What's the point of that entire metaphor if it is disabled?
I never put apps there, but I do put files that I'm using currently as a scratch space.
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@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
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@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158 -
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnome-desktop-icons-removed-3-28
So what exactly is the purpose of the desktop then?
I don't see it has an issue since there are other Desktop environments to choose from that still supports storing items on Desktop. And plus the Nautilus developer is developing an gnome extension.
I never have icons on my desktop. Much easier to just hit Windows key and type what I want.
That's fine, I do that too, but then why have a desktop at all? What's the point of that entire metaphor if it is disabled?
I never put apps there, but I do put files that I'm using currently as a scratch space.
You still need an interface to interact with. If you just use window managers then you wouldn’t need a “desktop” but GNOME offers a lot of features that a lot of window managers don’t have.
I don’t even put files there. 99% of what I’m doing is either browser or terminal/code editor. And I use the directory trees in the code editors.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
serious problems with being a viable project.
This is just ridiculous. There are tons of people out there that feel the same way I do and never out stuff on the desktop. No one is forcing anyone to use GNOME. If they don’t like it they can use something else.
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Ubuntu 18.04 will be dropping Intel 32bit architecture support. Probably a very good thing, no one should be wasting resources on that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
OK good, I wasn't the only one feeling that way.
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@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
serious problems with being a viable project.
This is just ridiculous. There are tons of people out there that feel the same way I do and never out stuff on the desktop. No one is forcing anyone to use GNOME. If they don’t like it they can use something else.
I think that was Scott's entire point. GNOMEs use (in relation to the desktop having files and icons on it) have dwindled to near zero use... so the project might be viable (Scott typical overstating) but clearly not viable in this vain.
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@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
serious problems with being a viable project.
This is just ridiculous. There are tons of people out there that feel the same way I do and never out stuff on the desktop. No one is forcing anyone to use GNOME. If they don’t like it they can use something else.
That's the idea, if they've abandoned their core metaphor on which they based their product because their project has failed to garner interest, I'd like to not use it.
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@stacksofplates said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@black3dynamite said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@jaredbusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller did you even bother to read the article? Or did you just reply? Because it is clearly noted what the reason is.
Because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to code it - seems like a pretty lame reason to me.
Like Scott, I don't keep application shortcuts on the desktop (OK I do, but I that's because the installer puked it on there and I was to lazy to remove it), but I do use it as a fast to reach dumping ground for current projects.
Chrome OS's lack of this ability really irked me when I was trying to setup a user on one last year.
This explains their reason for removal in details.
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/158Yeah, I've read it and basically they are saying "no one feels like working on what needs to be done, only on the fun stuff" which to me tells me that Gnome has some serious problems with being a viable project. This means, to me, that there are way too many desktop projects out there and Gnome is one that has lost its steam. It's a reason, but it's not a good one.
serious problems with being a viable project.
This is just ridiculous. There are tons of people out there that feel the same way I do and never out stuff on the desktop. No one is forcing anyone to use GNOME. If they don’t like it they can use something else.
I think that was Scott's entire point. GNOMEs use (in relation to the desktop having files and icons on it) have dwindled to near zero use... so the project might be viable (Scott typical overstating) but clearly not viable in this vain.
Which I think shows in why so many projects crop up to replace Gnome, which likely wouldn't happen if people were using it more heavily. Solus, ElementaryOS, Mint, Unity... all came about because they felt Gnome was lacking. Gnome is the least likely desktop for me to hear someone say "I want to use this". It's weird and now lacking in supporting it's own design. It's not bad, but it's pretty bizarre to drop your own metaphor without a replacement. I get that there is a lack of interest, but that seems to be the trend around Gnome, just not enough interest.
That there are "lots of people" who don't care about that one feature is unfortunately also reflected by the "lots of people" who want something other than Gnome.
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@dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
... so the project might be viable (Scott typical overstating) but clearly not viable in this vain.
I don't think that I overstated at all. They clearly don't have interest in development and maintenance of their less flashy components, that's a viability struggle. Today they are dropping their core metaphor due to lack of interest in maintaining it. The start button could be next. Anything could be next. It could be an isolated problem, it could be something affecting every piece of Gnome but only this one did they feel that they could abandon to try to triage the damage.
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Could it be possible that the GNOME desktop is just such a kluge of code that no one wants to even bother picking it up as there are other options.
Simply it's to much effort to attempt to resurrect a project that has been effectively dead for quite some time?
