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@Obsolesce 5G is like your driveway. LEO satellite Internet is like the highway. Getting a big, fast driveway isn't very useful if you have nowhere to go.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce 5G is like your driveway. LEO satellite Internet is like the highway. Getting a big, fast driveway isn't very useful if you have nowhere to go.
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
(I'd rather have the faster and lower-latency 5G over LEO satellite internet)If there is a possibility that 5G speeds and latency drop depending on where I am, that's fine. Those situations will be minimal enough for me to not care. If that proves wrong, then I'd give LEO a shot. But 5G will be my first go-to.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
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5G, like all cellular technologies, is a "last mile" connection. It's only a small, tiny, part of the story.
Just like how here in Europe you get people advertising their free, fast Wifi. And it's true, it is free and fast. What they don't mention is that it doesn't come with Internet access. You get access to a private LAN where they stream you things from their local servers and advertise to you or sell you things. Common on trains and plains.
I can build out my own 5G network just the same. 5G, like wifi, is the end device connection, not the Internet backhaul. It's the LAN piece, not the WAN. Nothing wrong with a LAN without a WAN link, but it's not what anyone means when they say that that is what they want.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
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Amazon Alexa offering NHS health advice
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The government in England said it could reduce demand on the NHS.
Privacy campaigners have raised data protection concerns but Amazon say all information will be kept confidential. -
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top. -
@hobbit666 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Amazon Alexa offering NHS health advice
People will be able to get expert health advice using Amazon Alexa devices, under a partnership with the NHS, the government has announced.
From this week, the voice-assisted technology is automatically searching the official NHS website when UK users ask for health-related advice.
The government in England said it could reduce demand on the NHS.
Privacy campaigners have raised data protection concerns but Amazon say all information will be kept confidential.This is awesome until someone dies from the advice... Sure, it's not a lot different than someone just googling it - but unlike Google, Amazon will be providing much less actual information or choice of information than a search does.
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If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top.I am NOT going to be on mountain tops and/or such areas 99.9% of the time... so getting back to reality... 5G it is.
I also do not, and never will, live in Western Nebraska. So none of what you said applies. I'm not going to buy and deal with not having 5G for that 0.01% of the time having 5G will not be beneficial. That just doens't make sense.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top.I am NOT going to be on mountain tops and/or such areas 99.9% of the time... so getting back to reality... 5G it is.
I also do not, and never will, live in Western Nebraska. So none of what you said applies. I'm not going to buy and deal with not having 5G for that 0.01% of the time having 5G will not be beneficial. That just doens't make sense.
You seem really hung up on 5G... That's like being hung up on LTE today - I don't get it.
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5G is your connection back to the tower. That’s it.
If fibre is unavailable as a backhaul option from the tower LEO could do the trick.I’d find it an interesting comparison between microwave towers and LEO backhaul
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top.I am NOT going to be on mountain tops and/or such areas 99.9% of the time... so getting back to reality... 5G it is.
I also do not, and never will, live in Western Nebraska. So none of what you said applies. I'm not going to buy and deal with not having 5G for that 0.01% of the time having 5G will not be beneficial. That just doens't make sense.
You seem really hung up on 5G... That's like being hung up on LTE today - I don't get it.
What do you mean you don't get it? For what possible reason could you see me wanting satellite broadband internet over 5G? Given that the downsides of 5G will not apply to me, I don't see how it's possible you don't get it.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top.I am NOT going to be on mountain tops and/or such areas 99.9% of the time... so getting back to reality... 5G it is.
I also do not, and never will, live in Western Nebraska. So none of what you said applies. I'm not going to buy and deal with not having 5G for that 0.01% of the time having 5G will not be beneficial. That just doens't make sense.
You seem really hung up on 5G... That's like being hung up on LTE today - I don't get it.
What do you mean you don't get it? For what possible reason could you see me wanting satellite broadband internet over 5G? Given that the downsides of 5G will not apply to me, I don't see how it's possible you don't get it.
Well - you're railing on about 5G - which Scott has basically said why 5G and LEO have nothing to do with each other - there is basically no overlap - except those who are in very rural areas...
So what - you just want 5G over LTE over cable modems over fiber connections? uh.. OK.. Two Thumbs up. -
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top.I am NOT going to be on mountain tops and/or such areas 99.9% of the time... so getting back to reality... 5G it is.
I also do not, and never will, live in Western Nebraska. So none of what you said applies. I'm not going to buy and deal with not having 5G for that 0.01% of the time having 5G will not be beneficial. That just doens't make sense.
You seem really hung up on 5G... That's like being hung up on LTE today - I don't get it.
What do you mean you don't get it? For what possible reason could you see me wanting satellite broadband internet over 5G? Given that the downsides of 5G will not apply to me, I don't see how it's possible you don't get it.
Well - you're railing on about 5G - which Scott has basically said why 5G and LEO have nothing to do with each other - there is basically no overlap - except those who are in very rural areas...
So what - you just want 5G over LTE over cable modems over fiber connections? uh.. OK.. Two Thumbs up.That's right. I'll buy 5G and you can buy whatever service Tesla sells over their Leo network.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
Depending on your location - it's more a comparison of as you said - "slow-ass satellite broadband internet"vs no internet at all.
In western Nebraska is is very little internet. Oddly enough there is power, but no internet, or only just the crappies of near dialup type service.
What I think Scott is saying, is that you can bring much higher speeds of internet to places that have power through the use of LEO satellites.
i.e. You live on the top of a mountain, you have a huge solar array - so you have power, but today you have no internet, or only the crappy HO satellite stuff. Tomorrow with LEO satellite, you could suddenly have fairly decent internet access on that mountain top.I am NOT going to be on mountain tops and/or such areas 99.9% of the time... so getting back to reality... 5G it is.
I also do not, and never will, live in Western Nebraska. So none of what you said applies. I'm not going to buy and deal with not having 5G for that 0.01% of the time having 5G will not be beneficial. That just doens't make sense.
You seem really hung up on 5G... That's like being hung up on LTE today - I don't get it.
What do you mean you don't get it? For what possible reason could you see me wanting satellite broadband internet over 5G? Given that the downsides of 5G will not apply to me, I don't see how it's possible you don't get it.
Well - you're railing on about 5G - which Scott has basically said why 5G and LEO have nothing to do with each other - there is basically no overlap - except those who are in very rural areas...
So what - you just want 5G over LTE over cable modems over fiber connections? uh.. OK.. Two Thumbs up.That's right. I'll buy 5G and you can buy whatever service Tesla sells over their Leo network.
You're missing the point - almost no consumers will be buying anything from Telsa or Amazon, they will be buying 5G or other land based solutions, just like you.
But who THOSE people buy their connection from can and will be Tesla and Amazon. -
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
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If this example map below is true in a reasonable time, then I really do not need internet this 5G coverage proposal will not cover:
I think you missed the point . 5G is like a driveway, period. It's the access BETWEEN you and the Internet, not your access TO the Internet. 5G coverage can be 100%, but if it doesn't have Internet uplinks, you still can't get email.
The satellite services are the backhaul that make things like 5G able to work. So no amount of 5G coverage helps you on its own, none.
I really don't give a shit how you want to swing this.
I'll buy my 5G connection, you can buy your slow-ass satellite broadband internet connection.
We'll then compare our internet connection latency and speeds and see...
So, like always, you have no idea WTF are actually talking about.
The entire point of LEO networks is low latency. Starlink (not Tesla) has publicly announced that 20ms is the initial goal with 10ms as things get up to full functionality.
The others are also wrong by stating that Starlink is for backend. Yes, that will likely be the larger market by dollars, but it sill be 100% available to anyone, anywhere. Other systems are unknown, as they have not publicly released anything.
5G is not some miracle. It is in fact a huge pain in the ass to get implemented. Coverage maps are total bullshit marketing. I am not surprised that you fell for something like this. It seems to be a character flaw for you.
Coverage maps are huge generalizations. My neighbor could have perfect 5G coverage in his house, but I can have none. Because his house blocks it from mine. The need for more and more towers to actually implement ubiquitous 5G will run into so many NIMBY problems it is not even funny.
Edit: Here is a link to an article about the tower issue in Japan that I read a day ago.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190703/p2g/00m/0bu/091000cIt is such a big issue that the government is offering space on traffic signals.
