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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I said 'could' - and what proof do you have the aren't?
I don't need to present proof, the proof is right on the setup screen for their opt-in tracking and Cortana functions.
MS isn't an advertising company - sure they are tracking things, but I tend to believe that it's more for their own use on their products - but of course seeing the state of the products and the lack of overall improvement - that seems to be hard to believe. so /meh
And besides, it's pretty hard to compete with how hard Google is tracking you.
It's not hard to compete with Google, when you're using their tools!
Edit: Microsoft certainly is getting into the Advertising space, have you not ever looked at their opt-in screen?
Yeah they do advertising... I use them on my website - media.net, and it's actually quite nice. I like it way more than Google advertising.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I said 'could' - and what proof do you have the aren't?
I don't need to present proof, the proof is right on the setup screen for their opt-in tracking and Cortana functions.
MS isn't an advertising company - sure they are tracking things, but I tend to believe that it's more for their own use on their products - but of course seeing the state of the products and the lack of overall improvement - that seems to be hard to believe. so /meh
And besides, it's pretty hard to compete with how hard Google is tracking you.
It's not hard to compete with Google, when you're using their tools!
Edit: Microsoft certainly is getting into the Advertising space, have you not ever looked at their opt-in screen?
Yeah they do advertising... I use them on my website - media.net, and it's actually quite nice. I like it way more than Google advertising.
haha, you're entire website gets blocked by uBlock Origin. . . hahah
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Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I said 'could' - and what proof do you have the aren't?
I don't need to present proof, the proof is right on the setup screen for their opt-in tracking and Cortana functions.
MS isn't an advertising company - sure they are tracking things, but I tend to believe that it's more for their own use on their products - but of course seeing the state of the products and the lack of overall improvement - that seems to be hard to believe. so /meh
And besides, it's pretty hard to compete with how hard Google is tracking you.
It's not hard to compete with Google, when you're using their tools!
Edit: Microsoft certainly is getting into the Advertising space, have you not ever looked at their opt-in screen?
Yeah they do advertising... I use them on my website - media.net, and it's actually quite nice. I like it way more than Google advertising.
is your site broken?
It currently looks worse than GRC.com.
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@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
It's redirecting me to a twitter page... Not as big as I thought. Linux.org is a fan run linux forum. kernel.org is the official site.
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@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
It took me to a twitter feed.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
The main thing Edge's version could have over Chrome is much less tracking.
What proof do you have that Edge is doing any less tracking?
I said 'could' - and what proof do you have the aren't?
MS isn't an advertising company - sure they are tracking things, but I tend to believe that it's more for their own use on their products - but of course seeing the state of the products and the lack of overall improvement - that seems to be hard to believe. so /meh
And besides, it's pretty hard to compete with how hard Google is tracking you.
Define tracking? A lot of it is tracking on behalf of yourself... for example, if you want a notification of an upcoming appointment, Win10 will need access to your calendar. Or, if you want automatic tracking and notification of a package delivery, Cortana will need access to your email so it can automatically get, process, and track it for you. (it works, and is nice actually)
Some of it isn't tracking YOU, but it's tracking your activity anonymously... for example, if you're going to get ads shown to you anyways, why not let them at least be relevant to your activity? It's all automated, it's not like someone is sitting outside in a bread truck interested in what you are doing, to use it against you later or whatever.
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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I said 'could' - and what proof do you have the aren't?
I don't need to present proof, the proof is right on the setup screen for their opt-in tracking and Cortana functions.
MS isn't an advertising company - sure they are tracking things, but I tend to believe that it's more for their own use on their products - but of course seeing the state of the products and the lack of overall improvement - that seems to be hard to believe. so /meh
And besides, it's pretty hard to compete with how hard Google is tracking you.
It's not hard to compete with Google, when you're using their tools!
Edit: Microsoft certainly is getting into the Advertising space, have you not ever looked at their opt-in screen?
Yeah they do advertising... I use them on my website - media.net, and it's actually quite nice. I like it way more than Google advertising.
haha, you're entire website gets blocked by uBlock Origin. . . hahah
95% of my website traffic is from search engines, which shows a really good outline of the content. This gets people to click in because it shows exactly what they are looking for moreso than anywhere else. Adblockers simply block the ads, no issue there. If the whole website is being blocked because of ads, I'm willing to bet it's such a small percentage it has no bearing, and is probably not genuine traffic anyways.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
I said 'could' - and what proof do you have the aren't?
I don't need to present proof, the proof is right on the setup screen for their opt-in tracking and Cortana functions.
MS isn't an advertising company - sure they are tracking things, but I tend to believe that it's more for their own use on their products - but of course seeing the state of the products and the lack of overall improvement - that seems to be hard to believe. so /meh
And besides, it's pretty hard to compete with how hard Google is tracking you.
It's not hard to compete with Google, when you're using their tools!
Edit: Microsoft certainly is getting into the Advertising space, have you not ever looked at their opt-in screen?
Yeah they do advertising... I use them on my website - media.net, and it's actually quite nice. I like it way more than Google advertising.
is your site broken?
It currently looks worse than GRC.com.
That's not my site... I didn't mean it like that. I meant I use them (media.net) on my website (my blog).
And no, media.net is not broken for me. Looks like whatever junk you're running is killing it.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Some of it isn't tracking YOU, but it's tracking your activity anonymously... for example, if you're going to get ads shown to you anyways, why not let them at least be relevant to your activity? It's all automated, it's not like someone is sitting outside in a bread truck interested in what you are doing, to use it against you later or whatever.
The complaint, as I understand it, is that it's frequently not that anonymous. While it might not have your exact name on it, it's you in all the ways that matter. And if someone really did want to associate it with your name, it likely wouldn't be that hard to do.
Personally - I hate the personalized ad situation. I searched for Mitel PBX stuff a few years ago - then on every website I visited for the next week, the only thing I saw was the same 3 ads for different Mitel PBX providers. it was irksome.
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@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
It's redirecting me to a twitter page... Not as big as I thought. Linux.org is a fan run linux forum. kernel.org is the official site.
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
It took me to a twitter feed.
That twitter feed reminds me of TayBot. Yeah, it was just a fanboy forum site. I thought the Linux Foundation owned it as a way of spreading generalized information. Guess not.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Personally - I hate the personalized ad situation. I searched for Mitel PBX stuff a few years ago - then on every website I visited for the next week, the only thing I saw was the same 3 ads for different Mitel PBX providers. it was irksome.
But what actually does that matter, if at all? Who cares and why?
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@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@coliver said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
It's redirecting me to a twitter page... Not as big as I thought. Linux.org is a fan run linux forum. kernel.org is the official site.
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@NerdyDad said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Unless I am mistaken (and that usually does happen a lot with me), Linux.org is down. Unsure as to why. Somebody in the Telegram forums said that the organization let the registration lapse and somebody else has exploited it and isn't doing anything with it yet.
Can anybody find a headline on this yet?
It took me to a twitter feed.
That twitter feed reminds me of TayBot. Yeah, it was just a fanboy forum site. I thought the Linux Foundation owned it as a way of spreading generalized information. Guess not.
it's probably like whitehouse.com - you might expect that to be for THE whitehouse, but nope.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
And if someone really did want to associate it with your name, it likely wouldn't be that hard to do.
Who? Microsoft? The Bing or Cortana team? Doubtful. I doubt anyone even has the ability to access that information, and the people who do, I doubt would have reason enough to want to try associating your activity with an IP and link that to YOU.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Personally - I hate the personalized ad situation. I searched for Mitel PBX stuff a few years ago - then on every website I visited for the next week, the only thing I saw was the same 3 ads for different Mitel PBX providers. it was irksome.
But what actually does that matter, if at all? Who cares and why?
Who cares - tons of people.
Why do they care? I don't like the idea of companies creating digital personas of me, and using that information to trick/bribe/convince - whatever word you want to use - to buy their stuff. It feels much less invasive when advertising is non directed. But of course, it's also much less effective when non directed.Hell, just look at all the claims about FB ads during the last election (two elections ago now)... if you A and B and C you saw one ad, if you were A and B and D you saw another, etc.. all meant to invoke a response... to me it's a form of brainwashing that's to personal.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
And if someone really did want to associate it with your name, it likely wouldn't be that hard to do.
Who? Microsoft? The Bing or Cortana team? Doubtful. I doubt anyone even has the ability to access that information, and the people who do, I doubt would have reason enough to want to try associating your activity with an IP and link that to YOU.
Wow, this seems really naive. You did hear about the companies that tapped into FB's data collection sources and the shit they were doing with it, right?
But even if it's not ME specifically, it's me in as a specific subgroup, and that's bad enough.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
And if someone really did want to associate it with your name, it likely wouldn't be that hard to do.
Who? Microsoft? The Bing or Cortana team? Doubtful. I doubt anyone even has the ability to access that information, and the people who do, I doubt would have reason enough to want to try associating your activity with an IP and link that to YOU.
Wow, this seems really naive. You did hear about the companies that tapped into FB's data collection sources and the shit they were doing with it, right?
No, not naive at all. What happened with FB is completely different and irrelevant to MS.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
And if someone really did want to associate it with your name, it likely wouldn't be that hard to do.
Who? Microsoft? The Bing or Cortana team? Doubtful. I doubt anyone even has the ability to access that information, and the people who do, I doubt would have reason enough to want to try associating your activity with an IP and link that to YOU.
Wow, this seems really naive. You did hear about the companies that tapped into FB's data collection sources and the shit they were doing with it, right?
No, not naive at all. What happened with FB is completely different and irrelevant to MS.
It doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Where there is saved data - it CAN happen - of course, that doesn't mean it will.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Personally - I hate the personalized ad situation. I searched for Mitel PBX stuff a few years ago - then on every website I visited for the next week, the only thing I saw was the same 3 ads for different Mitel PBX providers. it was irksome.
But what actually does that matter, if at all? Who cares and why?
That's my question, too. Who cares? All ads are people trying to sell you stuff you didn't already want. Who cares which ones it is unless the ads are offensive?
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Personally - I hate the personalized ad situation. I searched for Mitel PBX stuff a few years ago - then on every website I visited for the next week, the only thing I saw was the same 3 ads for different Mitel PBX providers. it was irksome.
But what actually does that matter, if at all? Who cares and why?
Who cares - tons of people.
Why do they care? I don't like the idea of companies creating digital personas of me, and using that information to trick/bribe/convince - whatever word you want to use - to buy their stuff. It feels much less invasive when advertising is non directed. But of course, it's also much less effective when non directed.So your complaint is the TRACKING not the targeted ads. But you said it was ads designed for you that irked you. Ends and means, different things.
It might FEEL less invasive, but that's only when ads are failing. The better the targeting, the less you will know. A truly targeted ad would also know that you don't like knowing it was targeted and will prey on your emotional response. And trust me, places like Google and Facebook have that tech and have for years.
So your response to the ads, rather than the tracking, is not useful. Not liking being tracked? Understandable, but there is nothing you can do about it, people have the right to record public information. But don't react to the ads as if they themselves were the tracking.
