Is Most IT Really Corrupt?
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@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
I'm trying to find the name of the job that supports the technical stuff in a company without being a decision maker - because according to you, IT= the business, basically makes them a C level part of the company along with CEO and COO, etc. So what do you call the people in the trenches doing the work after the decisions are made?
Going from a typical oil/gas major 3 tier's of fun...
Architects make design decisions, engineers do the implementations, operations keep things... running.
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@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
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@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
Is there a problem with that type of thinking?
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@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
Is there a problem with that type of thinking?
He's really just answering your question. How can IT care more about the business then the owner? If the owner only cares about maintaining their lifestyle then they obviously don't care much about the business outside of that context.
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@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
I'm trying to find the name of the job that supports the technical stuff in a company without being a decision maker - because according to you, IT= the business, basically makes them a C level part of the company along with CEO and COO, etc. So what do you call the people in the trenches doing the work after the decisions are made?
Going from a typical oil/gas major 3 tier's of fun...
Architects make design decisions, engineers do the implementations, operations keep things... running.
I spoke about that an MangoCon.
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@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
What I called orbital businesses at MangoCon.
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@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
operations keep things... running.
Or breaks things themselves
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@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
Is there a problem with that type of thinking?
Problem? No, not if they are the owners rather than fiduciaries. No one implied a problem. The point was that you asked how IT could care more and he was pointing out entire categories of businesses where IT often cares more.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
Is there a problem with that type of thinking?
Problem? No, not if they are the owners rather than fiduciaries. No one implied a problem. The point was that you asked how IT could care more and he was pointing out entire categories of businesses where IT often cares more.
Yeah - Coliver already beat you to that comment.
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@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@scottalanmiller said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@storageninja said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
@dashrender said in Is Most IT Really Corrupt?:
Then I'm lost how you say IT cares more about the business than the owner/CEO does? They don't know the IT side of things, so they more or less have to rely on others to help them, if they choose not to follow those recommendations is another matter.
Lifestyle businesses where they don't care about making money beyond xxx amount to maintain their lifestyle. Pretty common in SMB.
Is there a problem with that type of thinking?
Problem? No, not if they are the owners rather than fiduciaries. No one implied a problem. The point was that you asked how IT could care more and he was pointing out entire categories of businesses where IT often cares more.
Yeah - Coliver already beat you to that comment.
Sorry, just answer them as I go
