How flexible are your hours?
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I have pretty much always had totally flexible hours. Can't think of ever not having had them since moving into IT or engineering work.
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@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender sometimes in smaller companies. this is the fact: italian labor law requires companies to give 2 hours OR either give compensation in salary (for you to be eating out of your house) or provide a canteen service (is canteen the right term?).
In the UK it is.
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@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
I have quite flexible hours. I am hourly and make OT for anything over 40.
M-Th 9-7
Fr 9-1Never on call, all after hours/weekend work is usually OT, and my boss is super cool about the whole thing. He lets me make up hours after the fact instead of making me use PTO, which is great. Plus he is very technical and can handle anything when I'm not here.
Let me know when you quit
I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum besides me would hate it here - we are a 100% windows shop.
I like Windows plenty, just never find a business case where we can justify the cost. PowerShell, Ansible, Salt and their new defined state all make it really powerful.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
theretically flexible but actually bound to company emplyers time (as for support): 8:30-18:30. lunch time is 2 hours.
I tend to be a bit of flexible at entrance and exit timing.also if I have to do something "destructive" I use night hours or saturdays, gaining some hours to stay at home during the mon-fri 9/5 frame (I usually reserve the friday afternoon).
I heard 2+ hour lunches were the norm in Spain. How about where you are (is it Italy?) - is 2 hour lunches the norm?
Pretty common in Texas, too. And not too uncommon in NY.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
oh, I probably could have. But at the same time I personally wanted to be here to make sure there where no problems first thing in the morning.
Your boss can't handle?
My boss is a CPA - no, she can't handle anything IT. I'm a one man IT shop.
And yet still runs IT and makes the IT decisions.
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
theretically flexible but actually bound to company emplyers time (as for support): 8:30-18:30. lunch time is 2 hours.
I tend to be a bit of flexible at entrance and exit timing.also if I have to do something "destructive" I use night hours or saturdays, gaining some hours to stay at home during the mon-fri 9/5 frame (I usually reserve the friday afternoon).
I heard 2+ hour lunches were the norm in Spain. How about where you are (is it Italy?) - is 2 hour lunches the norm?
Pretty common in Texas, too. And not too uncommon in NY.
For the highfalutin, sure - but then, are they really taking 2 hour lunches or are they really business meetings at lunch time?
I'm saying the first part mostly in jest.
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@DustinB3403 said in How flexible are your hours?:
Exempt Salary (in NY) in relation to IT work is now solely on management. If you are working on a server, moving equipment etc you're entitled to Overtime.
It's still the same. Just the price range where you are exempt has changed.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
Keep in mind I am salary so no additional pay...
Salary does not mean you have to work for free. So you need to verify what your terms of hire were and do not do anything outside the terms without being compensated for it. Generally with a salary employee that does not get overtime, this comes as comptime.
Interesting - I was pretty sure someone around these parts said you're not a professional unless you're putting in 48-60 hours a week. It's the nature of being a professional. Also the reason for being exempt Salary (meaning no OT). Not saying they were right or wrong, I'm saying this to spark conversation.
PDR is for 10 hours assumed. The US standard for white collar work is 50 hours / week. Same as the 40 hour / week blue collar standard.
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@scottalanmiller Well yea. . . there is a salary cap, but the job duties also falls under the category. I was reading it in depth a while back while it was still being decided on.
But I didn't think it was required to state such details.
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@matteo-nunziati said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender sometimes in smaller companies. this is the fact: italian labor law requires companies to give 2 hours OR either give compensation in salary (for you to be eating out of your house) or provide a canteen service (is canteen the right term?).
Interesting - If they can't give you 2 hours off at lunch, they have to give you money so you can buy food away from your home. Now that's a first. I've never heard of that before.
small companies simply say: take 2 hours and do whatever you want. This is my first time with 2 hours. asways been in the 45'-1h range.
So you were either paid, what we call a stipend ( a predetermined amount to cover some expense) or they provided lunch (would canteen imply that you had to have a choice in what you are eating, like a buffet? or at least more than one option?)
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
oh, I probably could have. But at the same time I personally wanted to be here to make sure there where no problems first thing in the morning.
Your boss can't handle?
My boss is a CPA - no, she can't handle anything IT. I'm a one man IT shop.
And yet still runs IT and makes the IT decisions.
I understand that pain. CFO is over our IT department (4 people). We're pretty much self-sustaining in decision making in supporting the business, but go to the CFO when it comes to money and people.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@wirestyle22 said in How flexible are your hours?:
Not flexible at all, but I don't ever work outside of 8:30 - 4:30 and I never work weekends.
Yeah, because you are a contractor, not an in house employee.
I'm curious though - Hey @scottalanmiller what kinds of benefits should wired be getting? Those of the City for whom he works 99.9% of the time, or those of his contracting company? I was always confused on where you stood on this.
There is no "should" in that sort of thing. He gets the ones that he negotiates.
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@DustinB3403 said in How flexible are your hours?:
Also just because you're salaried doesn't exclude you from over time pay (at least in NY) IT related jobs excluding management are required to pay over time.
US Employment law determines this and salary is not part of the equation. It is exempt and non-exempt. The fed sets the exempt rates and for IT, they are pretty high.
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@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
You are willingly working for free. This is your fault. don't do it.
Yeah, I am out at 5PM on the dot from now on.....
That's what you do. Only thing that makes sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
You are willingly working for free. This is your fault. don't do it.
Yeah, I am out at 5PM on the dot from now on.....
That's what you do. Only thing that makes sense.
He's salary - how does that make sense? He'd only be putting in 40 hours, not your above listed 50 for white collar work.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
You are willingly working for free. This is your fault. don't do it.
Yeah, I am out at 5PM on the dot from now on.....
That's what you do. Only thing that makes sense.
He's salary - how does that make sense? He'd only be putting in 40 hours, not your above listed 50 for white collar work.
He's salary - with strict, stated and enforced hours. He's obligated to leave at 5PM.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@JaredBusch said in How flexible are your hours?:
You are willingly working for free. This is your fault. don't do it.
Yeah, I am out at 5PM on the dot from now on.....
That's what you do. Only thing that makes sense.
He's salary - how does that make sense? He'd only be putting in 40 hours, not your above listed 50 for white collar work.
He's salary, not professional. By definition, professionals have flexible hours (within the ability to do their jobs.) That's one of the key factors as to why teachers aren't legally listed as professionals (and the law always has to say "Professionals & Teachers.") The nature of teaching K12 causes a necessary violation to standard professional definitions. Teachers are professionals by all other normal standards.
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wow - so he's not professional - lol.
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@Dashrender said in How flexible are your hours?:
wow - so he's not professional - lol.
He's not A professional. Nor am I.
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@scottalanmiller said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
@minion said in How flexible are your hours?:
@RojoLoco said in How flexible are your hours?:
I have quite flexible hours. I am hourly and make OT for anything over 40.
M-Th 9-7
Fr 9-1Never on call, all after hours/weekend work is usually OT, and my boss is super cool about the whole thing. He lets me make up hours after the fact instead of making me use PTO, which is great. Plus he is very technical and can handle anything when I'm not here.
Let me know when you quit
I'm fairly sure everyone on this forum besides me would hate it here - we are a 100% windows shop.
I like Windows plenty, just never find a business case where we can justify the cost. PowerShell, Ansible, Salt and their new defined state all make it really powerful.
So you've never stepped in a place that already had xxx number of Windows clients? If you did, have you ripped it all out and stuck all the end users with Linux desktops/laptops?
Or do you purposely choose Linux based work?
