Is ZeroTier failing
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
My point was SSH does not require the Linux subsystem.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
My point was SSH does not require the Linux subsystem.
My question is - what is MS pushing the use of Chocolately for? Scott said it was for SSH - but how, or more correctly - for what application to be installed?
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Where have you been? We've been talking about this a lot for a while. It's just a service on Windows, provided by MS. Microsoft made a fairly big deal about this. It's the OpenSSH system from OpenBSD, same one you know and love on every major Linux distro. Microsoft themselves ported the OpenSSH system to Windows (so it's a first class, primary vendor supported system) and its official packaging is NuGet and its official distribution primary channel is Chocolatey. There are other ways to get it, like direct from GitHub, but Chocolatey is the team's recommended way.
It's just a Windows "role" that you get through Chocolatey instead of the role manager. 100% Microsoft and no relationship to any subsystems.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Where have you been? We've been talking about this a lot for a while. It's just a service on Windows, provided by MS. Microsoft made a fairly big deal about this. It's the OpenSSH system from OpenBSD, same one you know and love on every major Linux distro. Microsoft themselves ported the OpenSSH system to Windows (so it's a first class, primary vendor supported system) and its official packaging is NuGet and its official distribution primary channel is Chocolatey. There are other ways to get it, like direct from GitHub, but Chocolatey is the team's recommended way.
It's just a Windows "role" that you get through Chocolatey instead of the role manager. 100% Microsoft and no relationship to any subsystems.
This must be what Scott is talking about.
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
The application is OpenSSH. That's the biggest one that I know of that MS themselves are pushing through that channel as their preferred approach. MS' embrace of NuGet and Chocolatey is on the recent side.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
The application is OpenSSH. That's the biggest one that I know of that MS themselves are pushing through that channel as their preferred approach. MS' embrace of NuGet and Chocolatey is on the recent side.
They have been pushing NuGet since Visual Studio 2013
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
No, SSH. SSH has nothing to do with Linux. SSH is a protocol. Nothing for Windows is available through the Linux subsystem. That's just a VM for Linux services.
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@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Putty or Bitvise spring to mind. Both of those are applicaitons that provide SSH.
Those have nothing to do with MS though, they are third party solutions. And sure, we use Chocolately to deploy them.. but Scott said that MS is pushing for the use of Chocolately to deploy SSH - so I guess I would like to read their pushing of that use, and what is the actual use for? i.e. what application?
The application is OpenSSH. That's the biggest one that I know of that MS themselves are pushing through that channel as their preferred approach. MS' embrace of NuGet and Chocolatey is on the recent side.
They have been pushing NuGet since Visual Studio 2013
NuGet sans Chocolatey, yes. But they added the next layer up more recently.
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@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@JaredBusch said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Dashrender said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
I was talking about Chocolately
Me too. Chocolatey is HOW MS officially deploys that feature.
They deploy the Linux subsystem via Chocolately?
WTF are you talking about? He said SSH.
how do you get SSH on windows if not through the Linux Subsystem?
Where have you been? We've been talking about this a lot for a while. It's just a service on Windows, provided by MS. Microsoft made a fairly big deal about this. It's the OpenSSH system from OpenBSD, same one you know and love on every major Linux distro. Microsoft themselves ported the OpenSSH system to Windows (so it's a first class, primary vendor supported system) and its official packaging is NuGet and its official distribution primary channel is Chocolatey. There are other ways to get it, like direct from GitHub, but Chocolatey is the team's recommended way.
It's just a Windows "role" that you get through Chocolatey instead of the role manager. 100% Microsoft and no relationship to any subsystems.
This must be what Scott is talking about.
Yes
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
Could you explain that? Really bold statement.
With powershell, MSIs, group policies, who cares about this? I find a load of articles from 2014 "look exciting" on a few sites but...I don't see anyone jumping up and down with excitement.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
Could you explain that? Really bold statement.
With powershell, MSIs, group policies, who cares about this? I find a load of articles from 2014 "look exciting" on a few sites but...I don't see anyone jumping up and down with excitement.
I didn't say or mean to say at least that most people use SSH, most people who use SSH, get it this way.
But I DO see loads of people jumping up and down with excitement. It makes Windows so much more accessible for simple things like ad hoc file transfers and management from other platforms and not needing tools like Putty for shell level work and such. We've been asking for it for decades and it's super useful now that it is here, just as expected.
I think loads of Windows-centric folk either aren't aware of all the cool things in the Windows ecosystem or like to avoid them because they don't like change or something.
And how do things like PowerShell make SSH not useful when PowerShell is the primary use case for it?
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@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
Could you explain that? Really bold statement.
Nothing bold about it in the least. It's a little like saying water is wet.
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@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
Could you explain that? Really bold statement.
Nothing bold about it in the least. It's a little like saying water is wet.
Well, you did say that all people who use SSH on Windows use Chocolatey, which is bold.
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@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@Breffni-Potter said in Is ZeroTier failing:
@scottalanmiller said in Is ZeroTier failing:
And me. Basically all people using SSH on Windows as that's how MS delivers that feature of the OS.
Could you explain that? Really bold statement.
Nothing bold about it in the least. It's a little like saying water is wet.
Well, you did say that all people who use SSH on Windows use Chocolatey, which is bold.
I said basically all, and it's not even slightly bold given that MS officially promotes and recommends and packages for that method. It's basically like saying that most people who use SSH on CentOS get it from YUM. It's so obvious it should need stated, really. Clearly some people in both camps do unnecessarily manual workarounds to do it some other way, but if anything, the bold bit is calling it bold. And if that's what you meant to call bold, what you then posted didn't make any sense.
