Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
There's no talk of vendor here so I'll just ask
Would these come from XByte?That would be my recommendation
In the US at least. @MattSpeller is in Canada, so while he can do that, the benefits are not the same.Yeah I'm in Canada as well and last time I got a quote from XByte once and it was significantly higher than a local provider. Granted, they aren't the same in terms of NBD support, etc.
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I wish Xbyte had Canadian distributors. Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
I wish Xbyte had Canadian distributors.
No kidding, that would make so many things so much easier.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2013/01-99/01-99-t2013-eng.pdf
Look for section 8471.41
When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2013/01-99/01-99-t2013-eng.pdf
Look for section 8471.41
When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...
No file online really matters. What matters is that when Americans cross the border with equipment, they are stopped at customs. We don't have the luxury of quoting documents.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.
It's random for us. Sometimes we pay, sometimes we don't.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2013/01-99/01-99-t2013-eng.pdf
Look for section 8471.41
When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.
I have tried that more than once. With all the proper paperwork. And still had to pay tariff fees. We used to use a Colocation facility up there and had to do stuff more than once.
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@Minion-Queen said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2013/01-99/01-99-t2013-eng.pdf
Look for section 8471.41
When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.
I have tried that more than once. With all the proper paperwork. And still had to pay tariff fees. We used to use a Colocation facility up there and had to do stuff more than once.
It was a regular problem and causes a LOT of cost that makes American colocation cheaper, even when the Canadian ones are so close.
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@Minion-Queen Always had my equipment shipped so that if they billed me tarifs, I could go back to the shipper for a refund. It's a massive hassle which is why I don't do it often. But the tarif is supposed to be 0. Anything else = someone didn't take the time to properly do paperwork or shipper is too lazy and won't bother looking it up. Lol
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@Minion-Queen Always had my equipment shipped so that if they billed me tarifs, I could go back to the shipper for a refund.
Americans can't do that. Only works on your side.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@Minion-Queen said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Other than the exchange rate (which right now is a killer), I found that often, suppliers in the US don't know that shipping servers or parts to Canada is supposed to be customs exempt (no additional duties other than the HST tax). That's bit me more than once.
Well, YOU say that it is exempt. But Canada doesn't agree with you. I can tell you that they demand customs at the border and saying that it is not required isn't really something that you get to decide at that time. They might tell citizens that it is exempt, but they are lying to you.
No, actually, the tarif is 0 (at least to Ontario it is). Encourage you to have a read...
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2013/01-99/01-99-t2013-eng.pdf
Look for section 8471.41
When paperwork properly completed (and this is where the failure happens most often - no lying needed), I've purchased goods from the US on dozens of occasions with zero tarif. Only paid HST.
I have tried that more than once. With all the proper paperwork. And still had to pay tariff fees. We used to use a Colocation facility up there and had to do stuff more than once.
It was a regular problem and causes a LOT of cost that makes American colocation cheaper, even when the Canadian ones are so close.
I don't doubt that it's a huge misunderstood process that fails more often than not. If I were in your shoes I'd probably have done the same. Hell...that's the reason why I try to buy in Canada first.
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@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
Anything else = someone didn't take the time to properly do paperwork or shipper is too lazy and won't bother looking it up. Lol
We did our own shipping, it doesn't work like you think. Americans can't just argue with customs officials.
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@scottalanmiller said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@NashBrydges said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@Minion-Queen Always had my equipment shipped so that if they billed me tarifs, I could go back to the shipper for a refund.
Americans can't do that. Only works on your side.
That may be true. Sucks.
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Maybe the point is that Canadian customs are corrupt and pocketing the money, that's fine. But it doesn't change how the system works. You can't do a lot of things in a lot of countries without those kinds of problems. Just a cost that has to be factored in.
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I think that's a good base hardware design for a backup/DR build, in the SMB space.
No matter what you decide to load on there as far as backup software, etc... it will work out great for the majority of SMB space.
Even in my case, with my current project going on, that would be usable:
- Server 2016 Standard on the hardware (because dedup not available on Hyper-V Server)
- 1 VM running the backup server VM (in my case data protection manager 2016)
- 1 VM running a replica of SQL server
So yes, even in a kind of set up like mine, that hardware makes sense. What would make one outgrow it, is needing more storage capacity and/or RAM... but for most SMBs, not an issue. For those like where I am, riding right on the edge, could go either way, but would work to start!
Nice job on the config!
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@Tim_G thanks
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@scottalanmiller Wouldn't adding more memory + StarWind to a setup such as this essentially make it a SAM-HCI ? lol.
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@dafyre said in Hardware Design for SAM-DR Small Rackmount Backup Device:
@scottalanmiller Wouldn't adding more memory + StarWind to a setup such as this essentially make it a SAM-HCI ? lol.
Not the best setup for that, and you'd not want the backup components.
