FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
This is the kind of corruption that people in the third world don't understand. They think that corruption stops with cops shaking you down on the side of the road for $20. The scale and ubiquity of American style corruption is so large and so complete that you can't even imagine it elsewhere in the world.
really? Sure the locals might not think there is corruption further up the chain because they have it so in their face locally, but does that mean that it doesn't exist? And if that's not what you're trying to day, I guess I need further explanation.
They don't understand that we have this in America. They are used to "in your face" corruption, not corporate / political corruption like this. So it gives the impression that the US is less corrupt than their countries are even while the corruption is often far bigger and more intense.
Interesting way to put it. Not words I would use, but then again, I don't have ones I would use at the moment. I'll agree that our bigger government/bigger companies have bigger corruption.
I'm not sure what's not to understand though... do those people in third world countries think corruption stops that the local cops? and everything above them is kosher?
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I'm not sure what's not to understand though... do those people in third world countries think corruption stops that the local cops? and everything above them is kosher?
Pretty much. It is common to see corruption only where you can SEE corruption.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I'm not sure what's not to understand though... do those people in third world countries think corruption stops that the local cops? and everything above them is kosher?
Pretty much. It is common to see corruption only where you can SEE corruption.
LOL - so since I don't see corruption in my day to day life is why I think there is corruption all the way to the top?
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I'm not sure what's not to understand though... do those people in third world countries think corruption stops that the local cops? and everything above them is kosher?
Pretty much. It is common to see corruption only where you can SEE corruption.
LOL - so since I don't see corruption in my day to day life is why I think there is corruption all the way to the top?
Many Americans report that the US is corruption free to the point that they feel that they have no impact from it.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I'm not sure what's not to understand though... do those people in third world countries think corruption stops that the local cops? and everything above them is kosher?
Pretty much. It is common to see corruption only where you can SEE corruption.
LOL - so since I don't see corruption in my day to day life is why I think there is corruption all the way to the top?
Many Americans report that the US is corruption free to the point that they feel that they have no impact from it.
LOL - yeah, sadly I'm sure this is accurate.
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And Verizon will be throttling video's to be lower quality on all plans going forward.
And the FCC thought / thinks Net Neutrality rules don't have a place and that suppliers won't abuse their customers.. .
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
And Verizon will be throttling video's to be lower quality on all plans going forward.
And the FCC thought / thinks Net Neutrality rules don't have a place and that suppliers won't abuse their customers.. .
This wouldn't be affected by the Net Neutrality rules. They are universally throttling video content. If they were throttling everyone but their own content then it would be an issue.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
And Verizon will be throttling video's to be lower quality on all plans going forward.
And the FCC thought / thinks Net Neutrality rules don't have a place and that suppliers won't abuse their customers.. .
In reality this just seems like false advertisement. "Unlimited! for certain values of unlimited." Either way it isn't the worst thing in the world. They are trying to prevent network congestion due to introducing a new plan. Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
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I really wonder about the congestion problem.
I know it happens - DragonCon in downtown Atlanta, you can't make a phone call, let alone get on the internet during Labor Day weekend there.
But in general - is this a real problem?
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I really wonder about the congestion problem.
I know it happens - DragonCon in downtown Atlanta, you can't make a phone call, let alone get on the internet during Labor Day weekend there.
But in general - is this a real problem?
That I'm not sure about.
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@dashrender I work next door to Busch Stadium and when there is a Cardinal game going on I can't get reception very well. It is better than what it used to be but it is still spotty.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
And Verizon will be throttling video's to be lower quality on all plans going forward.
And the FCC thought / thinks Net Neutrality rules don't have a place and that suppliers won't abuse their customers.. .
This wouldn't be affected by the Net Neutrality rules. They are universally throttling video content. If they were throttling everyone but their own content then it would be an issue.
It's still an insane stance, and it's funny that the limit is inline with what the FCC thought would be sufficient internet bandwidth for rural areas. . .
10/1 speeds.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
I don't really see that as the FCC's role in this though. They shouldn't mandate investment or good business practices. They should be there specifically to protect the consumer and ensure that companies don't overstep competitive boundaries.
You could argue that not investing in infrastructure hurts the consumer, I would agree with that, but I think that goes outside the scope of the FCC's mandate.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
Oh the power of the monopoly.
Yeah I know cellular carriers aren't full on monoplies, but in some places they really are. In my neighborhood, AT&T is the only carrier that works worth a darn, so to me, they are a monopoly for my house. -
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
I don't really see that as the FCC's role in this though. They shouldn't mandate investment or good business practices. They should be there specifically to protect the consumer and ensure that companies don't overstep competitive boundaries.
You could argue that not investing in infrastructure hurts the consumer, I would agree with that, but I think that goes outside the scope of the FCC's mandate.
The FCC is actively going out of their way in an attempt to hurt the consumer with this entire fiasco. I get your point, it's a business choice to do so.
However it does hurt consumers who own devices with higher resolution devices and are paying for subscriptions with 1080P or higher quality. Because they are forcibly denied access to the quality they are subscribed to, by Verizon..
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
I don't really see that as the FCC's role in this though. They shouldn't mandate investment or good business practices. They should be there specifically to protect the consumer and ensure that companies don't overstep competitive boundaries.
You could argue that not investing in infrastructure hurts the consumer, I would agree with that, but I think that goes outside the scope of the FCC's mandate.
To that end, why mandate service at all? Frankly I'm mostly dumbfounded that telephone service was/is a requirement to all people, even in remote rural areas. Ultimately I do understand the good for the world aspect.. but ....
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
I don't really see that as the FCC's role in this though. They shouldn't mandate investment or good business practices. They should be there specifically to protect the consumer and ensure that companies don't overstep competitive boundaries.
You could argue that not investing in infrastructure hurts the consumer, I would agree with that, but I think that goes outside the scope of the FCC's mandate.
The FCC is actively going out of their way in an attempt to hurt the consumer with this entire fiasco. I get your point, it's a business choice to do so.
However it does hurt consumers who own devices with higher resolution devices and are paying for subscriptions with 1080P or higher quality. Because they are forcibly denied access to the quality they are subscribed to, by Verizon..
I'm not sure how I really feel about this. Unlike terrestrial carriers, you don't typically pay for an amount of bandwidth from a cellular carrier. Before the unlimited plans, you paid for a data cap plan. You used to be able to burn through that cap as fast as their network would allow with no throttling. Eventually throttling started even on those cap plans. Now with "unlimited" data plans, they are doing what terrestrial carriers have been doing forever - bandwidth caps.
Cox cable used to give me unlimited data at a max rate of 50 Mb/s. Of course, they are now taking a page out of cellular carriers playbooks and capping data.
The Verizon plan is still unlimited data, but at the throughput they rate you at. But that's not even true, because they also have a cap rate 22 GB after which they can lower your throughput to near unusable levels.
I would love to just buy a pipe that is x throughput for an entire billing period, and I just pay y for it. Otherwise get your kids off my lawn.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
I don't really see that as the FCC's role in this though. They shouldn't mandate investment or good business practices. They should be there specifically to protect the consumer and ensure that companies don't overstep competitive boundaries.
You could argue that not investing in infrastructure hurts the consumer, I would agree with that, but I think that goes outside the scope of the FCC's mandate.
To that end, why mandate service at all? Frankly I'm mostly dumbfounded that telephone service was/is a requirement to all people, even in remote rural areas. Ultimately I do understand the good for the world aspect.. but ....
That's the original mandate of the FCC, enacted by congress.
make available so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex, rapid, efficient, Nationwide, and world-wide wire and radio communication services with adequate facilities at reasonable charges.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Could they have invested in their infrastructure to accommodate these new users? Why would they? People are going to buy their services regardless.
This part is what the FCC should be looking at and saying. . . well hell it's just good business sense. Also lets allow them to provide faster service for the things we provide in full 4K resolution!
I don't really see that as the FCC's role in this though. They shouldn't mandate investment or good business practices. They should be there specifically to protect the consumer and ensure that companies don't overstep competitive boundaries.
You could argue that not investing in infrastructure hurts the consumer, I would agree with that, but I think that goes outside the scope of the FCC's mandate.
The FCC is actively going out of their way in an attempt to hurt the consumer with this entire fiasco. I get your point, it's a business choice to do so.
However it does hurt consumers who own devices with higher resolution devices and are paying for subscriptions with 1080P or higher quality. Because they are forcibly denied access to the quality they are subscribed to, by Verizon..
I'm not sure how I really feel about this. Unlike terrestrial carriers, you don't typically pay for an amount of bandwidth from a cellular carrier. Before the unlimited plans, you paid for a data cap plan. You used to be able to burn through that cap as fast as their network would allow with no throttling. Eventually throttling started even on those cap plans. Now with "unlimited" data plans, they are doing what terrestrial carriers have been doing forever - bandwidth caps.
Cox cable used to give me unlimited data at a max rate of 50 Mb/s. Of course, they are now taking a page out of cellular carriers playbooks and capping data.
The Verizon plan is still unlimited data, but at the throughput they rate you at. But that's not even true, because they also have a cap rate 22 GB after which they can lower your throughput to near unusable levels.
I would love to just buy a pipe that is x throughput for an entire billing period, and I just pay y for it. Otherwise get your kids off my lawn.
WTF. Of course you pay for an amount of bandwidth from cellular carriers. Unlimited plans have not existed for years until the recent come back of unlimited but speed capped after a certain amount of usage. it was terrestrial carriers that had no bandwidth caps until recently. Now Comcast has a 1TB cap on throughput and once you hit it you pay overage. On the other hand, Cellular providers now simply throttle you down without charging extra once you hit their cap.You have the option to pay more for high speed again.
The Verizon plan you mention is not "still". It is their new version of unlimited. The old legacy unlimited plans that some people cling to have not been offered in forever.
