FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
My view of the "Netflix issue" is to apply network management (throttling) the same way we content cache active sites.
What - what what?? I suppose it might be ok to cache non changing data, as long as the customer always has the option of forcing a refresh if desired.
But an ISP caching Netflix on their would seem nearly impossible, what are the chances you're going to get a ton of overlap on that data? - sure new shows will get plenty.And in this case, the ISP is still counting that data from the ISP to the customer against the customers GB allotment, so again, getting screwed - unless the customer has an unlimited account.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But Verizon is the only one I know that has throttled to be anti-competitive and to tax Netflix. There is no way they are at a disadvantage at the interconnect level. Its not affecting their costs. They just wanted to do it.
You've been saying for days now that Comcast has been throttling Netflix the entire time of NN's reign... so it's not just Verizon. You can be assured it was throttled for anti-competitive reasons.
As for Verizon not being at a disadvantage at the interconnect level - really? Unless Netflix is directly connected to Verizon, how could they not be at a disadvantage? Something like 70% (made up number, but it's damned high) of the internet traffic is Netflix traffic. So assuming Verizon customers are using Netflix, Verizon will be at a noticeable unbalance on the peering point.
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In a shot to the nuts move against the US, the UK is making broadband internet a legal right by 2020 across every part of the country. Just as telephones were made a legal right in the past.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
But Verizon is the only one I know that has throttled to be anti-competitive and to tax Netflix. There is no way they are at a disadvantage at the interconnect level. Its not affecting their costs. They just wanted to do it.
You've been saying for days now that Comcast has been throttling Netflix the entire time of NN's reign... so it's not just Verizon. You can be assured it was throttled for anti-competitive reasons.
As for Verizon not being at a disadvantage at the interconnect level - really? Unless Netflix is directly connected to Verizon, how could they not be at a disadvantage? Something like 70% (made up number, but it's damned high) of the internet traffic is Netflix traffic. So assuming Verizon customers are using Netflix, Verizon will be at a noticeable unbalance on the peering point.
Peering arrangements are always at the interconnect, that’s what it’s for.
It’s about 25% of perk traffic.
So the difference between Verizon and Comcast and normal network management is that they throttle the stream to 10mb and in the case of Fios they are fiber.
Normal ISPs eb and flow, making their approach more sister.
That’s where this recently repealed law looks good, they actually addressed it and planned to continue to use Title II to stop it from the way it’s written.
They even site “network management” in a way that shows they understand the challenges involved.
This make Pai’s move all the more suspect to me.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
In a shot to the nuts move against the US, the UK is making broadband internet a legal right by 2020 across every part of the country. Just as telephones were made a legal right in the past.
I remember a wired article some years ago about how we were mostly funding their fiber roll out. Would like to find it and reread.
I agree it should be a right, it should be stated in a law and it seems like we are moving backwards for unknown reasons.
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@bigbear I'd be interested in that article as well.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
In a shot to the nuts move against the US, the UK is making broadband internet a legal right by 2020 across every part of the country. Just as telephones were made a legal right in the past.
considering this
https://i.imgur.com/LxIrgnd.pnghow does this change? The providers are already required to provide if asked for it.
https://i.imgur.com/Xe58Kbo.png
But they already can, see quote above. -
https://i.imgur.com/roZ8R0u.png
36%, OK that's a lot lower than I thought it was.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
In a shot to the nuts move against the US, the UK is making broadband internet a legal right by 2020 across every part of the country. Just as telephones were made a legal right in the past.
considering this
https://i.imgur.com/LxIrgnd.pnghow does this change? The providers are already required to provide if asked for it.
https://i.imgur.com/Xe58Kbo.png
But they already can, see quote above.So is it just a matter of them forcing the ISP in an area to build out on request, spread construction costs out over time?
I will see, UK telecom is extraordinary. They have been ALL-IP for some years now. I have seen an article where a town created their own internet fiber service, paid for the installation, and kicked everyone out.
I have a lot of old article digging to search for. Google isn't turn up much from memory and I cant recall the article titles lol.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I will see, UK telecom is extraordinary. They have been ALL-IP for some years now. I have seen an article where a town created their own internet fiber service, paid for the installation, and kicked everyone out.
I would love that. The ISPs should be at the border to a municipality, not inside it. Similar to how power can from from any number of power companies (the grid is all interconnected).
As for phones - I'd just like to see them die! Move everything to app based. I think one of the biggest push backs you get is from the safety side of things.
If your power is out, it's still possible (and likely) that your copper landline is still working.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I will see, UK telecom is extraordinary. They have been ALL-IP for some years now. I have seen an article where a town created their own internet fiber service, paid for the installation, and kicked everyone out.
I would love that. The ISPs should be at the border to a municipality, not inside it. Similar to how power can from from any number of power companies (the grid is all interconnected).
As for phones - I'd just like to see them die! Move everything to app based. I think one of the biggest push backs you get is from the safety side of things.
If your power is out, it's still possible (and likely) that your copper landline is still working.
That is not the case if you have phone service by cable, etc.Even though I have all the UC apps I still find it so easy to click the app and have the physical phone go off hook. Or to just hit speakerphone to answer when I am sitting at my desk.
I know Altigen and a lot of people have tried pushing those desk phones that are just a base for a mobile phone, but they have never taken off and I assume its because they must not work well.
All the E-911 stuff is their with mobile. Even in the UCC apps I have been using (in case someone dialed 911 there instead of via their own phone).
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Remember these?
When of the many times I thought voip handsets were about to die off...
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Even though I have all the UC apps I still find it so easy to click the app and have the physical phone go off hook. Or to just hit speakerphone to answer when I am sitting at my desk.
Nothing says you can't have a hardware phone connected to say - skype or What's App or Facetime, etc. It would be no different than a VOIP phone connecting to the services you sell today.
A great device will allow you to install any android app onto it to integrate with any IM/voice solution. Instead of the bluetooth headset today, you'd just use the handset on the phone.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
I know Altigen and a lot of people have tried pushing those desk phones that are just a base for a mobile phone, but they have never taken off and I assume its because they must not work well.
I'm guessing people don't like the idea of plugging their mobile into the phone to make it work. That combined with the often high price of VOIP type phones compared to typical home POTS line phones - people haven't bought into it yet.
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
All the E-911 stuff is their with mobile. Even in the UCC apps I have been using (in case someone dialed 911 there instead of via their own phone).
I'm not talking about cellular mobile, I'm talking pure LTE with no phone system back end (like what we have today - AT&T/Verizon/CenturyLink, etc) Instead the phone would get rid of that radio for cellular calls, and only have LTE radios, and the other non "phone" things. Now how do you provide 911 like services? i think something like an Emergency help app required by law that would connect to some type of universal system and route calls based upon the LTE tower you're connected to.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
https://i.imgur.com/roZ8R0u.png
36%, OK that's a lot lower than I thought it was.
That probably going to increase when Disney start their streaming service.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
All the E-911 stuff is their with mobile. Even in the UCC apps I have been using (in case someone dialed 911 there instead of via their own phone).
I'm not talking about cellular mobile, I'm talking pure LTE with no phone system back end (like what we have today - AT&T/Verizon/CenturyLink, etc) Instead the phone would get rid of that radio for cellular calls, and only have LTE radios, and the other non "phone" things. Now how do you provide 911 like services? i think something like an Emergency help app required by law that would connect to some type of universal system and route calls based upon the LTE tower you're connected to.
VoLTE for Telecom and VoLGA for apps has been out for years (which is very commone in the EU like Orange Wireless)
I use only volte on my prepaid.
So it is already as you say
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@black3dynamite said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
https://i.imgur.com/roZ8R0u.png
36%, OK that's a lot lower than I thought it was.
That probably going to increase when Disney start their streaming service.
This is only Netflix... not all streaming.. That must have been what I saw was north of 70%, all video streaming constitutes more than 70% of peak traffic.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@black3dynamite said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
https://i.imgur.com/roZ8R0u.png
36%, OK that's a lot lower than I thought it was.
That probably going to increase when Disney start their streaming service.
This is only Netflix... not all streaming.. That must have been what I saw was north of 70%, all video streaming constitutes more than 70% of peak traffic.
Yeah that's pretty insane
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@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
All the E-911 stuff is their with mobile. Even in the UCC apps I have been using (in case someone dialed 911 there instead of via their own phone).
I'm not talking about cellular mobile, I'm talking pure LTE with no phone system back end (like what we have today - AT&T/Verizon/CenturyLink, etc) Instead the phone would get rid of that radio for cellular calls, and only have LTE radios, and the other non "phone" things. Now how do you provide 911 like services? i think something like an Emergency help app required by law that would connect to some type of universal system and route calls based upon the LTE tower you're connected to.
VoLTE for Telecom and VoLGA for apps has been out for years (which is very commone in the EU like Orange Wireless)
I use only volte on my prepaid.
So it is already as you say
I don't want that either - that's still totally reliant upon the strangle hold the phone companies have with the phone numbers. Plus I love the idea of decentralized communication.
We could use VOIP with something like Email or DomainName based connections, allowing PBXs to all talk direct over the internet to each other... Of course we talked about that the other day, and the issue with spam, but I have spam problems already, I don't know that it would be worse than it is today. Heck, one thing we'd be rid of is the cost of call - long distance would be dead, so having your PBX hacked resulting in huge phone bills because of the use of the LEC would be gone ( still bad to have your PBX hacked though).
