FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver I mean I suppose that's possible, but you could say the same thing about anything that's going to upset large scale service providers in any industry. When cable/dish subscriptions started losing out to a la carte packaging from other sources they just had to adapt for instance.
That's ignoring the entire context of this thread. Yes they just had to adapt. Some of them have taken steps to blocking competitors like Netflix from their network (however briefly) or throttling service so that streaming services would have to pay-to-play with their own content. They don't adapt they are pulled kicking, screaming, and suing.
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@dustinb3403 No I'm not? Where did I say anything about the current ISP's changing their behaviors? It's entirely realistic that a community driven provider could spring up from all of the uproar and we all just jump ship from the bad providers. I never said anything about existing ISP's all of a sudden acting ethically, not sure where you're getting that from.
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@coliver I mean that's fine, they can be as nasty as they want about it along the way, but I don't see that winning out in the long run. My point is that services could and maybe likely would spring up based on their terrible behavior like we've seen in other instances. Especially large organizations will try to do anything and everything they can get away with, I understand that. I'm simply stating that especially with subscription based services, you're 100% based on customer satisfaction. If you're not willing to provide something another provider will people will leave in a heartbeat. I've never met someone who is "loyal" to AT&T, Spectrum, etc. if that's making any sense.
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@rojoloco I mean you could've said the same thing about cell service providers, but look at how many alternatives there are now.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver I mean that's fine, they can be as nasty as they want about it along the way, but I don't see that winning out in the long run. My point is that services could and maybe likely would spring up based on their terrible behavior like we've seen in other instances. Especially large organizations will try to do anything and everything they can get away with, I understand that. I'm simply stating that especially with subscription based services, you're 100% based on customer satisfaction. If you're not willing to provide something another provider will people will leave in a heartbeat. I've never met someone who is "loyal" to AT&T, Spectrum, etc. if that's making any sense.
The problem with this is this new company living through the litigation. Unless you have some huge dollars to allow you to make it past the trench run, it's likely you'll just be forced to fold.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver I mean that's fine, they can be as nasty as they want about it along the way, but I don't see that winning out in the long run. My point is that services could and maybe likely would spring up based on their terrible behavior like we've seen in other instances. Especially large organizations will try to do anything and everything they can get away with, I understand that. I'm simply stating that especially with subscription based services, you're 100% based on customer satisfaction. If you're not willing to provide something another provider will people will leave in a heartbeat. I've never met someone who is "loyal" to AT&T, Spectrum, etc. if that's making any sense.
You have to remember that being right doesn't win law suits in the US. Money does. The incumbant ISPs are sitting on an exuberant amount of money. If this new company has that kind of bank roll good for them but they will be tied up with legal fees and will be unable to do anything infrastructure wise.
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@r3dpand4 Yes, many will jump to a new ISP when and if a viable option were to ever exist, but I'm not holding my breath waiting on the existence of that viable option. The issue here is that you're not nearly cynical enough. I remember being idealistic as well... you'll eventually outgrow it and have a realistic view of the world and how it actually works, then you'll understand that no matter what "laws" get passed, big business and government will stay in bed and continue doing whatever the hell they want.
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@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
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Even Google/Alphabet is trying to get in the ISP game. They are winning in some cases but even they are being tied up with lawsuits.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
You don't seriously think that investors have any ethical motivation beyond making money , do you????????
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@rojoloco said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
You don't seriously think that investors have any ethical motivation beyond making money , do you????????
Some do... but as a whole I doubt the majority do.
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@rojoloco Oh no I agree with you completely, I'm probably not as pessimistic as I ought to be. NN being done away with does terrify me, but I also have seen the online community bend large corporations and governments to their will at times so that's pretty much the only hope I'm holding onto.
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@coliver True, that very well could be the case.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver @RojoLoco It's certainly second tier to the profitability for most I'd assume, but I don't see investors passing on an opportunity where 90+% of the country is horribly dissatisfied with their ISP and not thinking hey this is definitely something we should look into.
NN has nothing to do with no one starting an ISP with better service and policies.
Go do a little historical digging. The incumbents spend a fuckton of money on this every year.
There is a reason that Google Fiber has barely progressed. It is because the incumbents do not want competition and they have litigated it to stagnation. Google has given up, that is why they switched to project Loon.
See my comments about my hometown being fought by Charter.
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@jaredbusch Okay will do! Again I wasn't trying to make ISPs out to be angels or anything, I was just thinking of some of the possible outcomes of this whole thing.
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@jaredbusch said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver @RojoLoco It's certainly second tier to the profitability for most I'd assume, but I don't see investors passing on an opportunity where 90+% of the country is horribly dissatisfied with their ISP and not thinking hey this is definitely something we should look into.
NN has nothing to do with no one starting an ISP with better service and policies.
Go do a little historical digging. The incumbents spend a fuckton of money on this every year.
There is a reason that Google Fiber has barely progressed. It is because the incumbents do not want competition and they have litigated it to stagnation. Google has given up, that is why they switched to project Loon.
See my comments about my hometown being fought by Charter.
Project Loon is going to be a big deal if they can get it off the ground. I know Elon Musk is also looking at doing LEO satellite internet within the decade, that is going to put a crush on incumbent ISPs if, again, it ever gets off the ground. Both of those have the advantage of not moving into incumbent ISP space so it would be very difficult to sue over them.
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@rojoloco said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
You don't seriously think that investors have any ethical motivation beyond making money , do you????????
This is definitely the case for VCs, to only care about making money. It would be awesome to see warren buffet's money going toward projects like this for the people at large, and less for charity in general.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@rojoloco said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
You don't seriously think that investors have any ethical motivation beyond making money , do you????????
This is definitely the case for VCs, to only care about making money. It would be awesome to see warren buffet's money going toward projects like this for the people at large, and less for charity in general.
Agreed. All he's doing is supporting huge salaries for people who run charities.
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