Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack
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@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
There may not have been a lack of support, but more of a sense of stability for the future. Maybe some developers who were on the fence about using the product went full in knowing a large company can continue to supply support for the product well into the future.
It already had support from giant companies, though. The Oracle purchase took what was seen as a crazy stable product and actually caused a lot of panic. PostgreSQL was the big winner and the instability, infighting and fracturing of the MySQL ecosystem actually drove people away. When Oracle bought MySQL, it was the clear leader in the RDBMS space, nearly every ecosystem used it by default, nearly every developer not getting an incentive chose it. Once Oracle bought it, people fled from it. MariaDB picked up a lot of that since it had bigger vendor backing, and had the developers, whereas Oracle only got the brand name. But loads of developers, and most importantly lots of infrastructure projects, demoted MySQL to a second tier option and moved to PostgreSQL because it was already more advanced, just more complex, but now seen as more stable. Similarly with Sparc, Solaris, and Java. All three have lost massive marketshare under Oracle, all were thriving when they were purchased.
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@scottalanmiller said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
I wonder if Oracle makes enough from MySQL sales to cover the cost of having purchased it.
I wonder the same thing. It is what made me ask the original question. I am apparently missing something about SaltStack that will generate enough revenue or value for VMware to get its money back and then some. Unless of course it was all about what you mentioned earlier, just being able to control the direction of the software. That could have large value in and of itself.
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@scottalanmiller said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
There may not have been a lack of support, but more of a sense of stability for the future. Maybe some developers who were on the fence about using the product went full in knowing a large company can continue to supply support for the product well into the future.
It already had support from giant companies, though. The Oracle purchase took what was seen as a crazy stable product and actually caused a lot of panic. PostgreSQL was the big winner and the instability, infighting and fracturing of the MySQL ecosystem actually drove people away. When Oracle bought MySQL, it was the clear leader in the RDBMS space, nearly every ecosystem used it by default, nearly every developer not getting an incentive chose it. Once Oracle bought it, people fled from it. MariaDB picked up a lot of that since it had bigger vendor backing, and had the developers, whereas Oracle only got the brand name. But loads of developers, and most importantly lots of infrastructure projects, demoted MySQL to a second tier option and moved to PostgreSQL because it was already more advanced, just more complex, but now seen as more stable. Similarly with Sparc, Solaris, and Java. All three have lost massive marketshare under Oracle, all were thriving when they were purchased.
I agree with you. I don't keep up much with the DB space but I have noticed MySQL falling out of favor over the last few years.
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@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
I agree with you. I don't keep up much with the DB space but I have noticed MySQL falling out of favor over the last few years.
Yeah, PostgreSQL has really picked up the pieces. Now that it's nearly always faster and is a single product, it is getting the momentum. And it's an awesome system, so kudos to them.
We use it for nearly all production workloads now. MySQL / MariaDB have always focused on high performance "light" needs like WordPress. But PostgreSQL is faster for that now, while offering so many more features, so it's becoming the safe choice for essentially everything once you get past SQLite.
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@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
@scottalanmiller said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
I wonder if Oracle makes enough from MySQL sales to cover the cost of having purchased it.
I wonder the same thing. It is what made me ask the original question. I am apparently missing something about SaltStack that will generate enough revenue or value for VMware to get its money back and then some. Unless of course it was all about what you mentioned earlier, just being able to control the direction of the software. That could have large value in and of itself.
Controlling the direction and keeping others from messing with it. That, I assume (plus mindshare) is the value. I doubt that it was an expensive purchase in VMware's view, it's amazing how easily you can find value in just "doing good things for the community" when you are the size of Vmware.
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@scottalanmiller said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
I agree with you. I don't keep up much with the DB space but I have noticed MySQL falling out of favor over the last few years.
Yeah, PostgreSQL has really picked up the pieces. Now that it's nearly always faster and is a single product, it is getting the momentum. And it's an awesome system, so kudos to them.
We use it for nearly all production workloads now. MySQL / MariaDB have always focused on high performance "light" needs like WordPress. But PostgreSQL is faster for that now, while offering so many more features, so it's becoming the safe choice for essentially everything once you get past SQLite.
Good to know. Will keep this in mind.
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@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
Good to know. Will keep this in mind.
As a software dev firm, we basically use SQLite when it makes sense, and PostgreSQL for everything else. MariaDB is absolutely considered, but just never seems to make sense. We deploy it like crazy for things like Wordpress, though.
Some NoSQL still makes sense, obviously, but that's a different set of use cases.
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@pmoncho said in Opinions: Ansible vs. SaltStack:
What would be the sense of purchasing a solid open source project like SaltStack?
Being OS, VMware can add their own developers to the project and still integrate it with their products without the cost of purchasing the company.I think they're just trying to stay relevant. Like with Harbor, Tanzu, etc.
