Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?
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@scottalanmiller
Isnt it already basically ported? You can get the online version today, which seems to be platform neutral as it is a web application. -
@momurda said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@IRJ said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@scottalanmiller said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
I anticipate Office getting ported soon. I think that they've been working on it. It's too much revenue to lose.
I could see customer backlash. I mean look at OWA, it does nearly all the tasks outlook does already. For some reason people think they NEED outlook. When all they do is send email and use the calendar.
Right, the only part of Office people "need" is Outlook. And most of them dont need it they just think they do. Really all the others from libreoffice are identical or better than their MS counterparts in fucntionality and form. If there were an email client that looked nearly identical to Outlook and could do calendars and tasks, they'd have zero Office revenue within a few quarters.
Excel does offer some additional functionality over Calc, but most users would never notice.
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@momurda said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
Really all the others from libreoffice are identical or better than their MS counterparts in fucntionality and form. If there were an email client that looked nearly identical to Outlook and could do calendars and tasks, they'd have zero Office revenue within a few quarters.
I really wonder if this is true. Granted it's been 7+ years since I looked at Open Office, but back then most of our old Word documents where completely messed up formatting wise so it was a non starter for management. If the formatting issues are gone (when opening files from 2005 and today), then I'll agree that Office could be replaced.
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@momurda said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@IRJ said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@scottalanmiller said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
I anticipate Office getting ported soon. I think that they've been working on it. It's too much revenue to lose.
I could see customer backlash. I mean look at OWA, it does nearly all the tasks outlook does already. For some reason people think they NEED outlook. When all they do is send email and use the calendar.
Right, the only part of Office people "need" is Outlook. And most of them dont need it they just think they do. Really all the others from libreoffice are identical or better than their MS counterparts in fucntionality and form. If there were an email client that looked nearly identical to Outlook and could do calendars and tasks, they'd have zero Office revenue within a few quarters.
It doesn't sound like you've worked with any government entities. The number of weird things they do with Word is amazing. And there is no way that they would redo all their forms just to save money.
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@Dashrender OpenOffice is falling apart(thanks Oracle). libreoffice has been and will be what orgs use going forward if they want open source office document creation.
@Kelly I'd rather not work at all than work with government entities though there are exceptions.
I would think making form documents for the peons to fill out would be a task best suited for Adobe or Foxit line of products.I should add to my original post that in 15 years the only customers for ms will be 5-10 person SMBs and monolithic dinosaur orgs like government entities.
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@momurda said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@Dashrender OpenOffice is falling apart(thanks Oracle). libreoffice has been and will be what orgs use going forward if they want open source office document creation.
Same question still applies - does LibreOffice displace the old documents I have the way I expect them to be displayed, i.e. as they were created 10+ years ago.
LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice (I think - and if not, it's a fork of something).. So I'm asking if they have solved the problem of displaying things created in MS Office.
Like Kelly, we don't want to spend the time/money/effort in converting everything. Even worse, the hospitals and lawyers we deal with still only submit things to us in MS Office format, so again, it needs to look the same on screen/print as originally created to even remotely be considered usable.
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In Word everything is fine when opening in LibreOffice.
Excel not so much. There are things that just get wonky (like pretty much everything).
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I think they will sell software apps and appliances with windows on it. I think they will move to the SaaS/Cloud model when it fits, while proposing "bundles" with windows for other apps on the client side - say surface-like stuff.
Server side they are already exporting their applications to other platforms where they can't offer a cloud alternative.
In the end I think they will be less the windows company and more an application company. They are going really strong in certain enviroments, think about SQL, NAV, Office and the so...
Still curious about their involvement in the IoT.
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People have been predicting Microsoft's downfall for most of my working life, but it hasn't happened and I don't see much changing in the next 10 years or so. Most people still prefer using Office on a Windows PC and I can't see anything that will change that in the short term - not iPads, not Linux, not Android.
So to the answer the question. In 5 to 15 years time I see Microsoft in pretty much the same position they are in now, possibly with a slightly smaller market share.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
People have been predicting Microsoft's downfall for most of my working life, but it hasn't happened and I don't see much changing in the next 10 years or so. Most people still prefer using Office on a Windows PC and I can't see anything that will change that in the short term - not iPads, not Linux, not Android.
I don't know.... it seems like a pretty obvious picture. They gutted the apps to prep them for moving to other platforms in 2013, they continued that in 2016. They've moved from nothing on Linux to the hosted apps on Linux (and everything else) during that time. It looks like a pretty solid, unified vision to get Office off of Windows as a massive investment from Microsoft that they have been working on for years.
As a Linux MS Office user, it seems like a pretty obvious picture that they've been getting ready to make it really good for years.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
So to the answer the question. In 5 to 15 years time I see Microsoft in pretty much the same position they are in now, possibly with a slightly smaller market share.
Interesting. You are the first that I've seen feel this way. What I've seen is the polar opposite in what people predict - that MS will be a platform agnostic hosting vendor with more market share.
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Market share is probably not the right metric as they're in so many different industries. Their market share will increase in some industries and decrease in others. What I meant was overall I think it's more likely that they will lose more market share in some industries than they gain in others, although as technology generally increases they could still grow as a company (ie they will have a smaller share of a much larger pie).
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@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
Market share is probably not the right metric as they're in so many different industries. Their market share will increase in some industries and decrease in others. What I meant was overall I think it's more likely that they will lose more market share in some industries than they gain in others, although as technology generally increases they could still grow as a company (ie they will have a smaller share of a much larger pie).
Let me reword it. I think that their profits will increase as they become a strong company focusing on their strengths (applications) and backing off on their weaknesses (operating systems.)
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I don't disagree with what you say about profits, although there's a risk that increased competition will squeeze them.
But I don't see how operating systems are a weakness - over 400m devices running Windows 10 so far?
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@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
I don't disagree with what you say about profits, although there's a risk that increased competition will squeeze them.
But I don't see how operating systems are a weakness - over 400m devices running Windows 10 so far?
Compared to the billion-ish devices running the Linux kernel?
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@coliver said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
I don't disagree with what you say about profits, although there's a risk that increased competition will squeeze them.
But I don't see how operating systems are a weakness - over 400m devices running Windows 10 so far?
Compared to the billion-ish devices running the Linux kernel?
Not to mention the ISS. . . . (and every other critical piece of equipment in space)
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@coliver said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
I don't disagree with what you say about profits, although there's a risk that increased competition will squeeze them.
But I don't see how operating systems are a weakness - over 400m devices running Windows 10 so far?
Compared to the billion-ish devices running the Linux kernel?
Keep in mind that is just Windows10.....
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@Minion-Queen said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@coliver said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
I don't disagree with what you say about profits, although there's a risk that increased competition will squeeze them.
But I don't see how operating systems are a weakness - over 400m devices running Windows 10 so far?
Compared to the billion-ish devices running the Linux kernel?
Keep in mind that is just Windows10.....
That's fair.
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Like I said above, a smaller piece of a massively growing pie can still be a pretty huge piece of pie and be seen as a strength (not a weakness) for Microsoft.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Where do you see Microsoft in 5, 10, and 15 years?:
But I don't see how operating systems are a weakness - over 400m devices running Windows 10 so far?
Yeah, for Windows that isn't a good number. Their size is shrinking as the market grows. That's not good. And the desktop is their best spot. Their server market is being destroyed. And as that goes. the desktops become that much more precarious. It's their foundation that is eroding.
