Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
. Or have wanted to keep the phone accepting the risk.
This isn't about the risk to an individual, it's about the larger risk - hence why planes don't allow them onboard.
That's unrelated. The FAA refuses to let people fly with all sorts of things. Do you feel that ANYTHING no allowed by the FAA should be forcibly taken from peoples' homes against their will? Should only things that are legal to fly in the US be allowed to be owned?
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
I suppose a legal way - because sadly I do agree that this is probably illegal - is for the carriers to simply turn off service to any phone listed as a Note 7 - pretty sure the carriers know that.
That's legal but with a lot of risks and, again, would put the carriers at risk for no good reason. Why do anyone feel that any carrier, ever, should get involved here? ANY action from the carrier puts them into the risk pool, letting it stay between Samsung and the customer they do not.
in that case - getting the hell out of the way, and allow samsung to push the update themselves.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
In this case, they can claim that in the best interest of their customers, they have disabled the service to reduce the likeliness that a customer will continue using a phone that has been deemed so hazardous.
It's fine that they claim altruism. But theft and/or vandalism in the "name of the victim" is just adding insult to injury. It's just mocking them. It's not their place to do this, legally or ethically.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
. Or have wanted to keep the phone accepting the risk.
This isn't about the risk to an individual, it's about the larger risk - hence why planes don't allow them onboard.
That's unrelated. The FAA refuses to let people fly with all sorts of things. Do you feel that ANYTHING no allowed by the FAA should be forcibly taken from peoples' homes against their will? Should only things that are legal to fly in the US be allowed to be owned?
lol of course not, but do I think that the gov't should be allowed to say you can't drive with a Note 7 in your car for the same reason, yes.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
I suppose a legal way - because sadly I do agree that this is probably illegal - is for the carriers to simply turn off service to any phone listed as a Note 7 - pretty sure the carriers know that.
That's legal but with a lot of risks and, again, would put the carriers at risk for no good reason. Why do anyone feel that any carrier, ever, should get involved here? ANY action from the carrier puts them into the risk pool, letting it stay between Samsung and the customer they do not.
in that case - getting the hell out of the way, and allow samsung to push the update themselves.
That's a problem if the update comes over the carrier's network. Knowing allowing a crime to be committed and putting customers at high risk is very, very illegal. If one, any one, 911 call doesn't go through because they "let Samsung disable 911" is a federal violation that should have any carrier that does so shut down and people arrested. This is VERY serious.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
. Or have wanted to keep the phone accepting the risk.
This isn't about the risk to an individual, it's about the larger risk - hence why planes don't allow them onboard.
That's unrelated. The FAA refuses to let people fly with all sorts of things. Do you feel that ANYTHING no allowed by the FAA should be forcibly taken from peoples' homes against their will? Should only things that are legal to fly in the US be allowed to be owned?
lol of course not, but do I think that the gov't should be allowed to say you can't drive with a Note 7 in your car for the same reason, yes.
That's my argument here. Driving with a GN7 poses as much public risk as flying with one does.
Because of some reason 7% of these are still out there, Samsung has repeatedly said to turn these in, they can and likely will blow up in your face. Don't take the risk.
And has made a severe push to collect these phones. So move your data off of the phone, and trade it in.
You're putting others at risk, not just your self by continuing to keep and use these damn phones.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
. Or have wanted to keep the phone accepting the risk.
This isn't about the risk to an individual, it's about the larger risk - hence why planes don't allow them onboard.
That's unrelated. The FAA refuses to let people fly with all sorts of things. Do you feel that ANYTHING no allowed by the FAA should be forcibly taken from peoples' homes against their will? Should only things that are legal to fly in the US be allowed to be owned?
lol of course not, but do I think that the gov't should be allowed to say you can't drive with a Note 7 in your car for the same reason, yes.
I agree. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about a foreign company vandalizing our personal property, NOT a government telling us what is dangerous to carry on public roads while operating a motor vehicle. That's a red herring here.
I can own a gun in NY but I can't drive with it (except under certain conditions.) Your are stating the car thing as if, like the plane, it's okay to steal anything from people that isn't advisably to keep in a moving car... like guns or beer.
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Knowing huh - so today they don't allow the update, but later on down the road they get the hell out of hte way, and then samsung makes a public announcement that they are going to brick another phone..
you're saying that Verizon (and all ISPs) have to block that because they would otherwise knowingly be allowing this 'illegal' activity to happen?
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
That's my argument here. Driving with a GN7 poses as much public risk as flying with one does.
So do guns and beer. So those should be taken by force from people? Because under the wrong conditions they can be used improperly?
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
Knowing huh - so today they don't allow the update, but later on down the road they get the hell out of hte way, and then samsung makes a public announcement that they are going to brick another phone..
you're saying that Verizon (and all ISPs) have to block that because they would otherwise knowingly be allowing this 'illegal' activity to happen?
Of course, if they know that their business partner intends to use their network for a crime, what would you think that they should do?
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
Because of some reason 7% of these are still out there, Samsung has repeatedly said to turn these in, they can and likely will blow up in your face. Don't take the risk.
What does Samsung have to do with this? only the government, ONLY the government can demand a recall. Samsung's opinion is irrelevant here.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
Because of some reason 7% of these are still out there, Samsung has repeatedly said to turn these in, they can and likely will blow up in your face. Don't take the risk.
What people don't realize is that they are playing Russian Roulette... Or playing with fire (literally).
The smart ones have already made the swap... The other 7% well...
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
. Or have wanted to keep the phone accepting the risk.
This isn't about the risk to an individual, it's about the larger risk - hence why planes don't allow them onboard.
That's unrelated. The FAA refuses to let people fly with all sorts of things. Do you feel that ANYTHING no allowed by the FAA should be forcibly taken from peoples' homes against their will? Should only things that are legal to fly in the US be allowed to be owned?
lol of course not, but do I think that the gov't should be allowed to say you can't drive with a Note 7 in your car for the same reason, yes.
I agree. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about a foreign company vandalizing our personal property, NOT a government telling us what is dangerous to carry on public roads while operating a motor vehicle. That's a red herring here.
I can own a gun in NY but I can't drive with it (except under certain conditions.) Your are stating the car thing as if, like the plane, it's okay to steal anything from people that isn't advisably to keep in a moving car... like guns or beer.
Yeah I know where you are going, but no I'm not going there - I'm saying this is a matter of public safety. Unless you know of another way to ensure that owners who choose not to turn these phones in, how do you protect the public from those people? I'm guessing you're basically saying you can't, and furthermore, shouldn't care.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
That's my argument here. Driving with a GN7 poses as much public risk as flying with one does.
So do guns and beer. So those should be taken by force from people? Because under the wrong conditions they can be used improperly?
But this isn't a case of just misuse.
These phones have been charging in "good conditions" and they've still caught on fire, and exploded.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
And has made a severe push to collect these phones. So move your data off of the phone, and trade it in.
You're putting others at risk, not just your self by continuing to keep and use these damn phones.
That's your opinion and it just doesn't work this way. If this is how things worked, guns, beer, cars themselves... would all be illegal. Someone thinks all of those things are risks to the public, along with computers, microwaves, phones, etc.
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- Scott, and the rest of you, just STFU about the legality. None of you are a sitting judge with a court case in front of you regarding this and you cannot tell us if the OTA is legal or not.
- This OTA update is an unprecedented (to my knowledge) step. It could easily go to litigation and stay there for years if someone wanted to set precedent.
- Debate the ethical nature of it all you want, but STFU up on legality.
- The recall is not mandatory. A mandatory recall is mandated by a government agency. This is a voluntary recall by Samsung. They were not forced to do so.
- No recall is mandatory to the consumer, ever.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
I can own a gun in NY but I can't drive with it (except under certain conditions.) Your are stating the car thing as if, like the plane, it's okay to steal anything from people that isn't advisably to keep in a moving car... like guns or beer.
Theren't no wrong conditions here. The phone owner can't decide.. oh the phone won't blow up today.. it either just does or doesn't.. the owner has no knowledge or control. That's the difference.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
Because of some reason 7% of these are still out there, Samsung has repeatedly said to turn these in, they can and likely will blow up in your face. Don't take the risk.
What people don't realize is that they are playing Russian Roulette... Or playing with fire (literally).
The smart ones have already made the swap... The other 7% well...
It's not really that risky, what's the worst that anyone has seen yet? All phones risk blowing up, these are just higher. But if you know the risks and treat them properly, it's not our place to say if it is dangerous. Eating hot dogs carries a high risk of choking, but we don't act like it's crazy to keep eating them.
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@JaredBusch said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
- Scott, and the rest of you, just STFU about the legality. None of you are a sitting judge with a court case in front of you regarding this and you cannot tell us if the OTA is legal or not.
Even a sitting judge just offers opinion. But bricking any device intentionally has gone to court before and qualifies as vandalism. And that's from a sitting judge at some point.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
I can own a gun in NY but I can't drive with it (except under certain conditions.) Your are stating the car thing as if, like the plane, it's okay to steal anything from people that isn't advisably to keep in a moving car... like guns or beer.
Theren't no wrong conditions here. The phone owner can't decide.. oh the phone won't blow up today.. it either just does or doesn't.. the owner has no knowledge or control. That's the difference.
Guns can go off too, and do. It's not the difference. Carrying a gun dangerous on a plane, that's a wrong condition. Just like taking this phone on a plane. But keeping a gun in your house or this phone someplace safe - that's the owner's accepted risk and decision.
