Argh! Windows 10 Updates...



  • Folks,

    Is it just me who is starting to really hate Windows 10? We have WSUS setup, tested the anniversary update on a few PCs, all looked good. (Some things like people pinned items move/change, but only small things)... Thus, approved the update.

    A developer has updated his PC as the 'Install' notification popped up and the machine is now very much screwed up. IIS feature, off. ALL pinned items - gone.
    usernames for applications he runs, reset to default like never used - a total mess. I'm in the progress of restoring to yesterdays endpoint backup for him now as he does not know where he kept his 'iis stuff'. BAH!

    So, how crazy would I be to decline all future Windows 10 feature/annual updates in WSUS entirely? Just allow security updates...

    [just peeved/venting]

    Thanks,
    Jim



  • That will only work for as long as MS supplies updates for the OS you're on. i.e. if you're on 1511, for as long as MS supplies updates for 1511.

    Paul Thurrott wrote an article about this published yesterday - sadly it's behind a paywall, so I won't bother linking it.

    The jist is that MS is now supporting more OS than ever before. When you consider that these major updates to Windows 10 are as near to a new OS as you can get without being called a new OS, there are a ton of them.

    List of currently supported Windows OSes:
    Windows 7 Sp1
    Windows 8 (this one might not actually be currently supported, not sure)
    Windows 8.1
    Windows 10 RTM
    Windows 10 1511
    Windows 10 1607

    And soon - Windows 10 1703.

    This is madness. I'm not sure what Apple does in terms of support for an OS after they release the next one, but I don't hear people bitching about it either. Of course with the significantly lower number of applications on the MAC platform, and tiny hardware footprint, they probably have a near infinitely easier time managing their updates.

    I think MS needs to go back to a single major update at yearly or 18 month timeframes, and security updates/fixes only in the meantime.

    I appreciate the desire to make Windows like a cloud platform, ever moving forward, constantly getting new features - but clearly that idea has failed. Unlike a cloud platform where you control everything on your own platform, and mostly only have to worry about how the browser (and really only 4 different ones - IE, FF, Chrome, Safari), that's pretty easy to control and test. Windows has 10's of thousands if not millions of configurations across more than a billion devices, just not practical.



  • @Dashrender said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    I'm not sure what Apple does in terms of support for an OS after they release the next one

    Generally, what Microsoft is trying to do now. Update to the newest version if your hardware supports it, or you're plum out of luck. Very occasionally you might get a back ported security fix if the issue is big enough.



  • I patched mine with the Ubuntu 16.10 patch and it seems to work beautifully now.



  • So, are you saying that if I am on 1607 now, that will get updated until 1703. If I don't update to 1703, I wont get any updates at all like patches or security releases?

    I'd happily decline the large released (1511 -> 1607 -> 1703) if I can still apply the smaller patches like security...



  • @scottalanmiller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    I patched mine with the Ubuntu 16.10 patch and it seems to work beautifully now.

    You're like the Android people who keep talking about having a removable battery.



  • @Jimmy9008 said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    So, are you saying that if I am on 1607 now, that will get updated until 1703. If I don't update to 1703, I wont get any updates at all like patches or security releases?

    I'd happily decline the large released (1511 -> 1607 -> 1703) if I can still apply the smaller patches like security...

    As a home user, you can't decline anything. I'm not sure WSUS let's you refuse updates for very long if at all on the normal version of Windows 10 Pro.

    If you use the VL version that is LTSB (Long Term Servicing Branch) you can push off updates for 6-9 months, but even those eventually require you to update. For example, if you're still running RTM from July 2015, you can still get security updates, but I don't know for how much longer.

    I don't know if you must have SA for every workstation to run LTSB.

    I'm running standard Windows 10 Pro VL media. I am using a WSUS server and so far my machines have not been forced to 1607, But I'm rolling it out manually because the reboot time is 1+ hours. I don't have remote power on/update abilities and my users are challenging to get them to try to get this setup to run the update overnight.



  • Oh home users can't decline?



  • @scottalanmiller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    Oh home users can't decline?

    Nope. That has been known since day one.



  • Pro users cant either most of the time.



  • Windows 10 has me so angry I'm tempted to go convert all my home gaming gear 100% to linux. Just nervous I won't be able to have much fun with games.



  • @MattSpeller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    Windows 10 has me so angry I'm tempted to go convert all my home gaming gear 100% to linux. Just nervous I won't be able to have much fun with games.

    Scott plays his games on Linux...



  • @Dashrender said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    @MattSpeller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    Windows 10 has me so angry I'm tempted to go convert all my home gaming gear 100% to linux. Just nervous I won't be able to have much fun with games.

    Scott plays his games on Linux...

    Aye, but not all games (far from it) are on linux as I'm discovering... 😞



  • @MattSpeller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    @Dashrender said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    @MattSpeller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    Windows 10 has me so angry I'm tempted to go convert all my home gaming gear 100% to linux. Just nervous I won't be able to have much fun with games.

    Scott plays his games on Linux...

    Aye, but not all games (far from it) are on linux as I'm discovering... 😞

    No, just a few thousand. Nowhere near what is on Windows.



  • There are also those games you can install on Linux through Synaptic or apt. Gems like 0AD (actually the first package listed in Synaptic) Tux Racers, Hexen/Doom/Heretic, etc.



  • @scottalanmiller "Patched" with Ubuntu?

    👁 saw what you did there! 🔍 I'm keeping my eye on you! lol



  • @BRRABill said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    @scottalanmiller said in Argh! Windows 10 Updates...:

    I patched mine with the Ubuntu 16.10 patch and it seems to work beautifully now.

    You're like the Android people who keep talking about having a removable battery.

    @BRRABill Even more annoying, I have a Lumia 950 XL Windows 10 Mobile phone and it has a removable battery too. 👍🏼

    Just saying ...


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