Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases
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So I kind of wanted to expand on the post Offline files nightmare but the discussion started to veer off to other discussions.
I know that some have adopted Nextcloud, Owncloud, OneDrive for Business, Google Drive, etc. as replacements for smb file servers. What I am curious about is how everyone configures these solutions in their environment.
Do you still use folder redirection but point it to the Nextcloud folder? Or do you tell users it's on them not to save data to their desktop and documents?
Do you map network drives using WebDAV for internal users?
Do you create shares from an admin or main share account and then have all users sync the data to their local machine?
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For most clients, I change their user folder location.
ownCloud: %userprofile%\Documents -> %userprofile%\ownCloud\Documents
OneDrive: %userprofile%\Documents -> %userprofile%\OneDrive\Documents
ODfB: %userprofile%\Documents -> %userprofile%\OneDrive - Bundy & Associates, Inc\Documents
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@JaredBusch Thanks for the response. Do you typically set it manually or are you using a GPO?
Just curious, are you also using these products to store shared data for everyone in the office to access or mostly for desktop and documents (user personal files)?
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I guess the area I am questioning a little is if you are using Nextcloud/Owncloud as a file server for shared company data, then wouldn't you need all systems to have large hard drives to sync all shared data to their desktop/laptop?
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@syko24 ah, my use is generally for user space. Shared folders are mostly still mapped drives.
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Trying to standardize most systems on SSD makes this challenging. Or am I going at this the wrong way and you would avoid using the sync application and just use WebDAV to map a network drive?
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@JaredBusch I see, so you are using a combination of file server for shared data and Nextcloud for user data.
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@syko24 ah, my use is generally for user space. Shared folders are mostly still mapped drives.
Just out of curiousity... Why would Nextcloud + WebDav not work just as well as a regular file server?
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@syko24 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch I see, so you are using a combination of file server for shared data and Nextcloud for user data.
The truly small offices just use O365/sharepoint. But yes, generally
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@dafyre said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@syko24 ah, my use is generally for user space. Shared folders are mostly still mapped drives.
Just out of curiousity... Why would Nextcloud + WebDav not work just as well as a regular file server?
No. users are users.
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@dafyre said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@syko24 ah, my use is generally for user space. Shared folders are mostly still mapped drives.
Just out of curiousity... Why would Nextcloud + WebDav not work just as well as a regular file server?
No. users are users.
^ Yes, very much!
I should have clarified: Using Nextcloud+WebDav for shared folders as opposed to a normal file server?
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@dafyre said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@dafyre said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@syko24 ah, my use is generally for user space. Shared folders are mostly still mapped drives.
Just out of curiousity... Why would Nextcloud + WebDav not work just as well as a regular file server?
No. users are users.
^ Yes, very much!
I should have clarified: Using Nextcloud+WebDav for shared folders as opposed to a normal file server?
No, it is too slow for users used to seeing things immediately
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It would be awesome to see NextCloud integrate directly into the Windows API as a save location. I'm guessing though that doing that would allow cryptoware to daily gain access just like files shares.
So I guess really we would love to see MS open the API (and all other software devs) that allows integration for NextCloud like OneDrive has.
Nothing mapped, safer environment.
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For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
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@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Mostly web interface only
This is most likely the heart of the Lanless concept isn't it? Making things available via an API or Web Interface for primary means of access?
And use Sync clients only where it makes sense?
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
From a security point of view, do you guys leave this open to the internet over https? Or do you keep the firewalls closed and use something like ZeroTier on everything?
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@syko24 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
From a security point of view, do you guys leave this open to the internet over https? Or do you keep the firewalls closed and use something like ZeroTier on everything?
I leave it on https with fail2ban
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close word -
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordLibreOffice Online???
