BackBlaze B2 competitors



  • You can build your own on OpenIO, of course, too.



  • @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    You can build your own on OpenIO, of course, too.

    And host it where?



  • @DustinB3403 said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    You can build your own on OpenIO, of course, too.

    And host it where?

    Anywhere you want. In the office, at Colocation America... whatever makes sense for you.



  • I was pricing out Glacier recently. Surprised to learn it really doesn't pan out after about 1TB.
    After that, you may as well just buy Dropbox or any other cloud service, you'll get way more features for the same dollar.
    Glacier does really well under 1TB because you can store 10s or 100s of megs on the cheap, only paying for what you use.

    I've always thought BackBlaze was a great offering. The only other offering I can think of is CrashPlan actually, which may have unlimited plan options. It even has software for Linux.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    I was pricing out Glacier recently. Surprised to learn it really doesn't pan out after about 1TB.

    What happens above that price point?



  • It's been a while but if I remember right Google Nearline was cheaper than Glacier.



  • @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    hat happen

    You just pay per GB forever. It's a linear curve strait up.

    At 1TB it's about at the $10/m mark which is more or less than almost every service out there for getting the same 1TB.

    I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.

    Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.

    I get that Glacier is long-term archival, but it's not like any other cloud service is bound to drop all your data by accident or something.

    SpiderOak would be half the price of Glacier at the 5TB mark.

    On the flip side, if you just want to stick, say, 140GB in the cloud, which is much more than any free cloud service, and would cost at least $5 to $10 a month for most cloud services to bump up the package, Glacier would be $1.54.

    So I figured, Glacier ok under 1TB, but above 1TB I might look to fuller-featured cloud services that can beat the price curve. Maybe after dozens of terabytes, Glacier becomes the only option again, I don't know.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    You just pay per GB forever. It's a linear curve strait up.

    But it is per GB. So if it is cost effective for 1GB, it's cost effective for a 1PB, right? You are assuming that the 1001th GB isn't as valuable as the first one, but that's not how data works.

    It's not a curve, it's a line. No different than how local storage works. Everything that you store locally you pay for forever as well. Just in bigger chunks. But you pay for the power, the backup jobs, the HVAC, the disks, the machines that attach to the disks, etc. for forever as well.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    At 1TB it's about at the $10/m mark which is more or less than almost every service out there for getting the same 1TB.

    I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.

    Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.

    Don't know about Dropbox' limits. But Backblaze Business is a backup system, not a storage system. BackBlaze' storage system, B2, you also pay per GB for forever.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.
    That's per user. Amazon Glacier has no user limits.

    Dropbox is for user files, not system backups or for hosting or whatever. Very different use case. I think you'd find that storing anything big on Dropbox would not really work - totally different mechanism.

    If you need that much on Dropbox, you have to talk to them and adjust your limits. I assume this is because they have to check to see if you are still using them for the intended use cases.

    https://blogs.dropbox.com/business/2014/08/1tb-per-user/



  • @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    At 1TB it's about at the $10/m mark which is more or less than almost every service out there for getting the same 1TB.

    I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.

    Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.

    Don't know about Dropbox' limits. But Backblaze Business is a backup system, not a storage system. BackBlaze' storage system, B2, you also pay per GB for forever.

    I would assume that an "archive" is essentially a "backup". Doesn't matter to me.

    That is probably where Glacier or other becomes cost effective again.

    1GB - 800GB - Glacier
    801GB - 5TB~ - Some service that claims "unlimited" or "no limits", uh huh.
    5TB+ - Back to linear pay-per-gb since other services limited your unlimited space after all.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    So I figured, Glacier ok under 1TB, but above 1TB I might look to fuller-featured cloud services that can beat the price curve. Maybe after dozens of terabytes, Glacier becomes the only option again, I don't know.

    I see where you are going. I think the biggest issue is that the services are SO different. Glacier is designed to ingest many PB or EB. I mean really, really big systems. Those others are designed for 1TB or less, mostly. And by individual, named users. Glacier is a corporate account. Dropbox is for user sync, Glacier is full scale object storage. Glacier just integrates with your systems and applications via an API.

    I have a hard time picturing the system where I could consider one and the other would really be viable. They are so different.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    That is probably where Glacier or other becomes cost effective again.

    1GB - 800GB - Glacier
    801GB - 5TB~ - Some service that claims "unlimited" or "no limits", uh huh.
    5TB+ - Back to linear pay-per-gb since other services limited your unlimited space after all.

    That makes sense. Below 1TB you are in the "trial" zone. Glacier isn't meant for this size at all.



  • Spideroak doesn't appear to release pricing. Nothing on their site talks about how much it costs. Just trials. That makes me very, very wary,



  • Oh wait, just very, very hidden.

    https://spideroak.com/about/price-list



  • For business backups, Spideroak starts at $90/mo. That's a lot of Glacier.



  • Dropbox, I think, is a problem because don't you have to maintain your own storage for everything? It's sync, not storage. So if you don't keep the original file, in the original location, and keep a copy on every machine, doesn't it delete them after 30 days?

    http://lifehacker.com/psa-dropbox-shouldnt-be-your-sole-backup-for-your-file-1612803794

    The systems like this that I have used do that. It's perfect for what it does, but makes using it for backups rather expensive because at the very least you need to maintain a system on your end to use as the host system.



  • Oh, DropBox for Business with unlimited isn't $12.50, it's $60/mo then $12.50 for each additional user over 5.

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  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.

    Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.

    BBB requires that you store the data locally, so that's not an option, it's not comparable to B2. Totally different use cases, which is why there are two price points from the same vendor. B2 is archival like Glacier, BBB is backup (enforced.)

    1.8TB on Glacier: $12.91
    On B2: $9.20
    Dropbox: $60
    Spideroak: $90

    Glacier seems pretty competitive even in the example 🙂 But B2 is the best.



  • Slightly off topic, but what software do you use to upload to BackBlaze B2?



  • @tiagom said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    Slightly off topic, but what software do you use to upload to BackBlaze B2?

    Any that you want 😉 It just has to talk to the B2 API or talk to something that talks to the API.



  • The synology unit that we have apparently has this functionality built in.

    I'm like 99.999% sure of it.



  • @DustinB3403 said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    The synology unit that we have apparently has this functionality built in.

    I'm like 99.999% sure of it.

    OpenIO does, too.



  • B2 has simple script examples that you can use, too. So if you backup to a local drive, you can push the backups to it automatically that way pretty easily.



  • @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    For business backups, Spideroak starts at $90/mo. That's a lot of Glacier.

    About 8TB. But SpiderOak would be "unlimited" for those 10 users.

    @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    Oh, DropBox for Business with unlimited isn't $12.50, it's $60/mo then $12.50 for each additional user over 5.

    0_1471993855298_Screenshot from 2016-08-23 19-10-16.png

    5.4TB, but "unlimited" <<< always questionable.

    @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.

    Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.

    BBB requires that you store the data locally, so that's not an option, it's not comparable to B2. Totally different use cases, which is why there are two price points from the same vendor. B2 is archival like Glacier, BBB is backup (enforced.)

    1.8TB on Glacier: $12.91
    On B2: $9.20
    Dropbox: $60
    Spideroak: $90

    Glacier seems pretty competitive even in the example 🙂 But B2 is the best.

    Who says I would buy the "enterprise" or "business" plans anyway? 🤸
    The boogeyman will never know!
    I could send all company backups to a single store, then use a free backup tool/sync tool to send the data to the boss's home computer. Then he can use his personal backup account 🏅



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    For business backups, Spideroak starts at $90/mo. That's a lot of Glacier.

    About 8TB. But SpiderOak would be "unlimited" for those 10 users.

    Maybe, but still limited to users.



  • @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    I could send all company backups to a single store, then use a free backup tool/sync tool to send the data to the boss's home computer. Then he can use his personal backup account 🏅

    In theory, but you'd likely have technical issues, you'd definitely have no recourse in case of failure, might be cut off anytime and are relying on not paying the bills, rather than getting something cheap, if that makes sense. You still "owe" the money, even if the vendor doesn't know about it.

    And do you really want customers that are willing to steal from their vendors? You are one of their vendors, remember.



  • I think the conversation can't conclude unless we discuss the differences between archival, backup, and cloud sync.

    Depending on what's needed, "archival" storage is not a "per user" issue. We need to archive media and project files and business compliance docs. Not really a user issue, and no need for a local copy.
    The solution needs to be safe and secure, and not go cancelling around account due to inactivity or any such shenanigans.

    For workstation backups, I rather like Crashplan. Unlimited data, near real time backup, individual file restore, Linux support, etc. Around $9.99/m per user for Business.
    So we hit that same $100/m mark for 10 users, but with an unlimited plan, it ain't bad.

    For cloud sync, well I haven't found a favorite yet. I liked MediaFire and had 1TB for about $2.80 a month until they killed the desktop app entirely. Then I went to O365 personal for $9 and and get 1TB.
    None of these services will give all that much in terms of TBs.



  • @scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    @guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    I could send all company backups to a single store, then use a free backup tool/sync tool to send the data to the boss's home computer. Then he can use his personal backup account 🏅

    In theory, but you'd likely have technical issues, you'd definitely have no recourse in case of failure, might be cut off anytime and are relying on not paying the bills, rather than getting something cheap, if that makes sense. You still "owe" the money, even if the vendor doesn't know about it.

    And do you really want customers that are willing to steal from their vendors? You are one of their vendors, remember.

    I would feel really good about myself figuring out this "free" solution 🙇



  • @DustinB3403 said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:

    The synology unit that we have apparently has this functionality built in.

    I'm like 99.999% sure of it.

    Still room for error.


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