BackBlaze B2 competitors
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@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
I was pricing out Glacier recently. Surprised to learn it really doesn't pan out after about 1TB.
What happens above that price point?
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It's been a while but if I remember right Google Nearline was cheaper than Glacier.
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@scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
hat happen
You just pay per GB forever. It's a linear curve strait up.
At 1TB it's about at the $10/m mark which is more or less than almost every service out there for getting the same 1TB.
I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.
Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.
I get that Glacier is long-term archival, but it's not like any other cloud service is bound to drop all your data by accident or something.
SpiderOak would be half the price of Glacier at the 5TB mark.
On the flip side, if you just want to stick, say, 140GB in the cloud, which is much more than any free cloud service, and would cost at least $5 to $10 a month for most cloud services to bump up the package, Glacier would be $1.54.
So I figured, Glacier ok under 1TB, but above 1TB I might look to fuller-featured cloud services that can beat the price curve. Maybe after dozens of terabytes, Glacier becomes the only option again, I don't know.
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@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
You just pay per GB forever. It's a linear curve strait up.
But it is per GB. So if it is cost effective for 1GB, it's cost effective for a 1PB, right? You are assuming that the 1001th GB isn't as valuable as the first one, but that's not how data works.
It's not a curve, it's a line. No different than how local storage works. Everything that you store locally you pay for forever as well. Just in bigger chunks. But you pay for the power, the backup jobs, the HVAC, the disks, the machines that attach to the disks, etc. for forever as well.
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@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
At 1TB it's about at the $10/m mark which is more or less than almost every service out there for getting the same 1TB.
I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.
Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.
Don't know about Dropbox' limits. But Backblaze Business is a backup system, not a storage system. BackBlaze' storage system, B2, you also pay per GB for forever.
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@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.
That's per user. Amazon Glacier has no user limits.Dropbox is for user files, not system backups or for hosting or whatever. Very different use case. I think you'd find that storing anything big on Dropbox would not really work - totally different mechanism.
If you need that much on Dropbox, you have to talk to them and adjust your limits. I assume this is because they have to check to see if you are still using them for the intended use cases.
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@scottalanmiller said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
At 1TB it's about at the $10/m mark which is more or less than almost every service out there for getting the same 1TB.
I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.
Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.
Don't know about Dropbox' limits. But Backblaze Business is a backup system, not a storage system. BackBlaze' storage system, B2, you also pay per GB for forever.
I would assume that an "archive" is essentially a "backup". Doesn't matter to me.
That is probably where Glacier or other becomes cost effective again.
1GB - 800GB - Glacier
801GB - 5TB~ - Some service that claims "unlimited" or "no limits", uh huh.
5TB+ - Back to linear pay-per-gb since other services limited your unlimited space after all. -
@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
So I figured, Glacier ok under 1TB, but above 1TB I might look to fuller-featured cloud services that can beat the price curve. Maybe after dozens of terabytes, Glacier becomes the only option again, I don't know.
I see where you are going. I think the biggest issue is that the services are SO different. Glacier is designed to ingest many PB or EB. I mean really, really big systems. Those others are designed for 1TB or less, mostly. And by individual, named users. Glacier is a corporate account. Dropbox is for user sync, Glacier is full scale object storage. Glacier just integrates with your systems and applications via an API.
I have a hard time picturing the system where I could consider one and the other would really be viable. They are so different.
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@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
That is probably where Glacier or other becomes cost effective again.
1GB - 800GB - Glacier
801GB - 5TB~ - Some service that claims "unlimited" or "no limits", uh huh.
5TB+ - Back to linear pay-per-gb since other services limited your unlimited space after all.That makes sense. Below 1TB you are in the "trial" zone. Glacier isn't meant for this size at all.
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Spideroak doesn't appear to release pricing. Nothing on their site talks about how much it costs. Just trials. That makes me very, very wary,
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Oh wait, just very, very hidden.
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For business backups, Spideroak starts at $90/mo. That's a lot of Glacier.
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Dropbox, I think, is a problem because don't you have to maintain your own storage for everything? It's sync, not storage. So if you don't keep the original file, in the original location, and keep a copy on every machine, doesn't it delete them after 30 days?
http://lifehacker.com/psa-dropbox-shouldnt-be-your-sole-backup-for-your-file-1612803794
The systems like this that I have used do that. It's perfect for what it does, but makes using it for backups rather expensive because at the very least you need to maintain a system on your end to use as the host system.
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Oh, DropBox for Business with unlimited isn't $12.50, it's $60/mo then $12.50 for each additional user over 5.
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@guyinpv said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
I wanted to store about 1.8TB. Glacier was $0.011/gb so about $20 we'll say. Dropbox Business is $12.50/m and just says "as much space as needed", whatever that means.
Or BackBlaze Business at $50/year ($4.17/m-ish) with "unlimited" data.
BBB requires that you store the data locally, so that's not an option, it's not comparable to B2. Totally different use cases, which is why there are two price points from the same vendor. B2 is archival like Glacier, BBB is backup (enforced.)
1.8TB on Glacier: $12.91
On B2: $9.20
Dropbox: $60
Spideroak: $90Glacier seems pretty competitive even in the example
But B2 is the best. -
Slightly off topic, but what software do you use to upload to BackBlaze B2?
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@tiagom said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
Slightly off topic, but what software do you use to upload to BackBlaze B2?
Any that you want
It just has to talk to the B2 API or talk to something that talks to the API. -
The synology unit that we have apparently has this functionality built in.
I'm like 99.999% sure of it.
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@DustinB3403 said in BackBlaze B2 competitors:
The synology unit that we have apparently has this functionality built in.
I'm like 99.999% sure of it.
OpenIO does, too.
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B2 has simple script examples that you can use, too. So if you backup to a local drive, you can push the backups to it automatically that way pretty easily.
