Conference Preparations
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@Minion-Queen said in Conference Preparations:
Yes the LEtchworth Park tour is well at Letchworth Park.
We actually have to be out of the conference space by 12pm on Friday night. So we will have to fully pack up etc.
That would be noon in the US. More like 12:00 am on Friday night. Or properly, midnight. There is not AM/PM actually on noon and midnight, but in the US Printing Office they designate how Americans officially write it for places where it is required and AM is midnight, PM is noon.
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@Dashrender said in Conference Preparations:
@travisdh1 said in Conference Preparations:
@Dashrender said in Conference Preparations:
@Minion-Queen said in Conference Preparations:
Yes the LEtchworth Park tour is well at Letchworth Park.
We actually have to be out of the conference space by 12pm on Friday night. So we will have to fully pack up etc.
So what are the hours on the event? Thursday 8-7 and Friday 8-11a?
I think @Minion-Queen means midnight, not noon @Dashrender. So probably Fri. 8a-10p.
Oh.. good! I was thinking this was going to be a super short short event.
That whole does 12:00:00 belong to the time before or the time coming up...
I had a panic moment there myself.
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@BRRABill said in Conference Preparations:
@Dashrender said in Conference Preparations:
@travisdh1 said in Conference Preparations:
@Dashrender said in Conference Preparations:
@Minion-Queen said in Conference Preparations:
Yes the LEtchworth Park tour is well at Letchworth Park.
We actually have to be out of the conference space by 12pm on Friday night. So we will have to fully pack up etc.
So what are the hours on the event? Thursday 8-7 and Friday 8-11a?
I think @Minion-Queen means midnight, not noon @Dashrender. So probably Fri. 8a-10p.
Oh.. good! I was thinking this was going to be a super short short event.
That whole does 12:00:00 belong to the time before or the time coming up...
Countdown to @scottalanmiller referencing UTC in 5...4...3...
UTC doesn't help there, but 24 hour clocks do. I do all three...
- UTC to fix time zones and remove daylight savings time / summer time
- 24 hour clock to remove the AM/PM/Noon/Midnight problems
- Use noon/midnight instead of 12am/pm because there isn't actually a clear standard
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@scottalanmiller said in Conference Preparations:
- Use noon/midnight instead of 12am/pm because there isn't actually a clear standard
I didn't realize there wasn't a standard.
I've heard people say that noon is technically the AM one because it belongs to the morning, and that 12:00:01 is when PM starts for the afternoon.
But I'm with Scott, it's a complete cluster of a setup, there doesn't seem to be a recognized standard use.
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@scottalanmiller said in Conference Preparations:
- 24 hour clock to remove the AM/PM/Noon/Midnight problems
So many clients hate me for 24 hour time.
I always set it up on the phones and such when i deploy.
I almost always get told to change it back to 12 hour time though.
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@Dashrender said in Conference Preparations:
@scottalanmiller said in Conference Preparations:
- Use noon/midnight instead of 12am/pm because there isn't actually a clear standard
I didn't realize there wasn't a standard.
Well there is, the actual standard is that they are noon and midnight and AM/PM don't apply to that one moment.
The US Printing Office actually changed the standard during our lifetimes. It used to be AM for noon and PM for midnight until the 1980s or something like that.
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@Dashrender said in Conference Preparations:
I've heard people say that noon is technically the AM one because it belongs to the morning, and that 12:00:01 is when PM starts for the afternoon.
That's wrong, noon is not the morning, it's the dividing line. 11:59:59 is morning. 12:00:01 is afternoon. Noon is just, noon. It is not AM (before noon) nor PM (after noon). Those letters literally mean before and after (ante and post.)
So never let someone say that. It is every bit equally morning as it is afternoon (which is to say, none of either.)
The logic for the change to PM being used for noon is because having "anything after 12:00" flip the AM/PM rather than 12:00 itself was obviously asinine. It meant that the granularity of your time system would put AM/PM at all different times.
Think about this... a time system with nanosecond granularity would put PM as "immediately" after 12:00 was hit. But another system that only looked at hours would say that it was AM until 1PM. So if you queried systems as to if it was AM or PM, they could be still saying it was "Before noon" up to one nanosecond short of a full hour AFTER noon. Clearly wrong. Only changing at noon has any functional logic short of just making the one noon and not AM or PM.
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@scottalanmiller My grandfather always uses afornoon, always confused me as a kid.
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Having the AM/PM change after the dot is also the foundation of why so many Americans (including my school as a child) claiming that 1AM was the start of the new day, not midnight, because 1AM used to be the first hour that was listed as morning and midnight was listed as "after noon". Because they only looked at hour granularity, not millisecond granularity, they could not tell that it had been morning for an hour before 1AM.
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@travisdh1 said in Conference Preparations:
@scottalanmiller My grandfather always uses afornoon, always confused me as a kid.
a = not
for = before
noon is noonNot before noon?
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@scottalanmiller said in Conference Preparations:
@travisdh1 said in Conference Preparations:
@scottalanmiller My grandfather always uses afornoon, always confused me as a kid.
a = not
for = before
noon is noonNot before noon?
He always uses it as to mean before noon, which is why I was always confused as a kid
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@travisdh1 well then yeah, that's confusing.
