What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
YOu were right, I totally wrote it incorrectly because I was caught up in the guy trying to push a physical card that I forget to go into the fact that the ATA in use was an FXO already. It was so implied by Mealy that I didn't circle back to explain.
No one was pushing a physical card prior to you saying to never go physical.
They didn't "say" it, but defended it pretty strongly once I pointed it out as if that was what they had said. So I took that as confirmation that that had been at least the one person's intention, right or wrong. He responded as if I had corrected what he was thinking, so I still am pretty sure that that was what he had meant to imply. Especially given that it was posted on a thread that was already answered for an OP who already had an FXO gatway device otherwise.
No. The only argument was from Mealy arguing your generic industry best practice to virtualize everything, granted he is wrong on that point. No one ever said anything else. Seriously, go back and read the posts slower.
Well sorry if I misinterpreted that he meant to imply physical installs. I know that the OP had an FXO gateway already, so it came across as pushing for FXO cards in my mind because he already had an FXO otherwise. You are right, they never actually said it. But I think Mealy meant it, even if he didn't say it. The other guy did not, so I was just wrong there.
I find Scott admitting that he thought someone meant something fascinating. So many posts, at least to me, seem obvious what the poster is desiring, even though they don't say that specific thing. Example - the AD post 2 days ago on SW. They guy claimed he wanted "cloud based AD." I took this to mean any AD like solution that provided the MS AD suite of services like onsite AD suite does (group policies, centralized authentication, etc)
Yeah, the only reason that I "read into it" because Mealy posted it as a "you are wrong, you need this other thing" kind of way when the question was already answered. So it was the only context where that response seemed to make any sense. If it wasn't contrary, it didn't work. So it was the only way that I could see to read it.
With the AD one, the guy asked a question with only one answer, and everyone just assumed the OP was an idiot and answered what THEY would want to have asked, not what he asked. And they didn't clarify that they were answering something else but acted like it was an answer to the question. They didn't read into what he asked, they just didn't understand the question and got both the question and the answer wrong.
Even two pages in, no one is sure what that guy was asking. Anytime that "everyone" thinks that they know and thinks that it is obvious, no one can agree on what that obvious thing is.
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I agree that we all (well, not Scott of course) don't ask the correct question.
When I talk about AD, I'm almost NEVER talking about AD alone, as in authentication alone. I'm almost always talking about the suite of functions/services that are on the MS platform that revolve around AD. And frankly, when I see most SMB IT personal talking about AD, so are they.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I agree that we all (well, not Scott of course) don't ask the correct question.
When I talk about AD, I'm almost NEVER talking about AD along, as in authentication alone. I'm almost always talking about the suite of functions/services that are on the MS platform that revolve around AD. And frankly, when I see most SMB IT personal talking about AD, so are they.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I agree that we all (well, not Scott of course) don't ask the correct question.
When I talk about AD, I'm almost NEVER talking about AD alone, as in authentication alone. I'm almost always talking about the suite of functions/services that are on the MS platform that revolve around AD. And frankly, when I see most SMB IT personal talking about AD, so are they.
Or, you perceive that because you project it. But if you did that in the case in question, it would make me right and everyone else wrong. Because they all recommended things that are incompatible with that ecosystem.
This is a great example where my need for truth and accuracy won, again, because the "obvious everyone knows what he meant" was wrong. Even when you describe it like you just did, it shows that that assumption didn't match how people reacted.
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It's true, MOST people use AD to mean something that isn't AD. MOST people just say gibberish, it's how people make themselves sound like they are saying something useful to casual listeners. When in reality, they didn't say something clearly enough for anyone to actually be helpful with a response. But it is enough that other "most" people can respond with something equally pointless so that the entire exchange had no value or meaning, but made it plausible that something had been accomplished to other parties passing by.
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The problem is is that this system means totally different things to all kinds of different people. One person saying that they need AD needs authentication, another needs group policy, another needs AD protocols for applications and so forth. Each listener tends to apply their own needs and common misuse to the term and acts like it's an "obvious" term meaning the thing that they think that it is when, in fact, every listener is hearing a totally different "obvious" use of the term. The real problem is the belief that there is any possible "obvious" misuse of terms like this.
Using AD like this is just like using cloud to mean hosting or the Internet. It doesn't aid in communications and just makes the speaker unable to ever learn or become an expert in that specific arena.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I agree that we all (well, not Scott of course) don't ask the correct question.
When I talk about AD, I'm almost NEVER talking about AD alone, as in authentication alone. I'm almost always talking about the suite of functions/services that are on the MS platform that revolve around AD. And frankly, when I see most SMB IT personal talking about AD, so are they.
Or, you perceive that because you project it. But if you did that in the case in question, it would make me right and everyone else wrong. Because they all recommended things that are incompatible with that ecosystem.
This is a great example where my need for truth and accuracy won, again, because the "obvious everyone knows what he meant" was wrong. Even when you describe it like you just did, it shows that that assumption didn't match how people reacted.
But it did match the OPs request.
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On way home. Can't wait to get in and sit on the sofa lol
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I agree that we all (well, not Scott of course) don't ask the correct question.
When I talk about AD, I'm almost NEVER talking about AD alone, as in authentication alone. I'm almost always talking about the suite of functions/services that are on the MS platform that revolve around AD. And frankly, when I see most SMB IT personal talking about AD, so are they.
Or, you perceive that because you project it. But if you did that in the case in question, it would make me right and everyone else wrong. Because they all recommended things that are incompatible with that ecosystem.
This is a great example where my need for truth and accuracy won, again, because the "obvious everyone knows what he meant" was wrong. Even when you describe it like you just did, it shows that that assumption didn't match how people reacted.
But it did match the OPs request.
No, it didn't. That's part of the point. He wanted things that people did not provide in their answer.
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I just told a job that because they used Cisco UCS I knew that they didn't take what they do seriously so I wasn't interested in continuing the conversation. If you are still using Cisco UCS in 2017, you are a freaking idiot. Lots of people were fooled by that crap a few years ago and tried it out, but if you've not learned better and replaced it by now... c'mon.
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@scottalanmiller That's how you can have the clients that follow your recommendations. In the end it would have been hard to have them as clients if they are not willing to change unless they told you right away.
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@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller That's how you can have the clients that follow your recommendations. In the end it would have been hard to have them as clients if they are not willing to change unless they told you right away.
Yeah, and the issue was that they wanted someone with Cisco UCS skills... which means they are seeing it as an active investment.
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@scottalanmiller Yeah, that makes sense.
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@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Yeah, that makes sense.
The rest of the request wasn't great either. They were really into certs (which I blow away their requirements) and education (which I have but I'm not a noobie so that's offensive to mention) and whatnot. In reality, the job was just way too junior and they should not have been pursuing me.
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@scottalanmiller Good way to stand-up for yourself
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@scottalanmiller someone was attempting to steal you from @Minion-Queen ?!
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller someone was attempting to steal you from @Minion-Queen ?!
I get contacted about maybe 10-20 senior positions a day.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I just told a job that because they used Cisco UCS I knew that they didn't take what they do seriously so I wasn't interested in continuing the conversation. If you are still using Cisco UCS in 2017, you are a freaking idiot. Lots of people were fooled by that crap a few years ago and tried it out, but if you've not learned better and replaced it by now... c'mon.
Replaced it? What if it's still serving it's purpose?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller That's how you can have the clients that follow your recommendations. In the end it would have been hard to have them as clients if they are not willing to change unless they told you right away.
Yeah, and the issue was that they wanted someone with Cisco UCS skills... which means they are seeing it as an active investment.
Ok this explains why you told them no.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I just told a job that because they used Cisco UCS I knew that they didn't take what they do seriously so I wasn't interested in continuing the conversation. If you are still using Cisco UCS in 2017, you are a freaking idiot. Lots of people were fooled by that crap a few years ago and tried it out, but if you've not learned better and replaced it by now... c'mon.
Replaced it? What if it's still serving it's purpose?
UCS is old, by this point either they had to buy it long ago and have learned their lessons and not replaced it with another or they had plenty of time to have known that it was a joke as everyone did many years ago and known not to have bought it. In either case, it's at a point where having it and investing in it is wrong.
