What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Jared is right that non-technical people need a simple name. I think that the issue is that non-technical people, like Curtis, are the ones that chose the name that they would use, and they used a name that already has a technical meaning: Linux. Not just a technical term, but an overlapping and opposite one.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
Exactly. The problem with calling it Linux is that they reference totally the wrong part and then Android (which is a Linux based OS) is treated like it isn't Linux and FreeBSD or ESXi which are not at all Linux get treated like they are.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
Yes
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
Maybe it's new functionality that if you get down voted so many times that you can just dump it without a moderator.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
Yes
That makes conversations like this one, Linux as a OS, pretty much useless to have.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
LOL yeah tech people do - normies don't... the only thing a PC is to a normal person is a Windows computer. A Mac is a Mac or an Apple, and computer running a Linux based OS is just Linux.
So the term PC isn't generic to normals.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
LOL yeah tech people do - normies don't... the only thing a PC is to a normal person is a Windows computer. A Mac is a Mac or an Apple, and computer running a Linux based OS is just Linux.
So the term PC isn't generic to normals.
The masses simply call it a >Insert Brand Name Here<
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
I'm just wondering where the term Linux came into the normal persons vernacular? Why didn't Mandrake or Red Hat or CentOS or Ubuntu become the norm? Why Linux? Probably because, as Scott said, somebody, probably a journalist, wrote about Linux as an OS and the normals just grabbed onto it.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
I'm just wondering where the term Linux came into the normal persons vernacular? Why didn't Mandrake or Red Hat or CentOS or Ubuntu become the norm? Why Linux? Probably because, as Scott said, somebody, probably a journalist, wrote about Linux as an OS and the normals just grabbed onto it.
I would say Linux became the "normal" term because you can use it to refer to any variant. Like Ransomware is the normal word almost everyone would know, rather than Locky.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
LOL yeah tech people do - normies don't... the only thing a PC is to a normal person is a Windows computer. A Mac is a Mac or an Apple, and computer running a Linux based OS is just Linux.
So the term PC isn't generic to normals.
The masses simply call it a >Insert Brand Name Here<
LOL there's that problem too - but my experience still has them thinking that the term PC is anything running Windows - hell the old Mac v Windows commercials more or less cemented that one.. because he wasn't called Windows, he was called PC.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
I got an email about it now. It got deleted because he was just trolling and it was not in any way going to be a technical discussion.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Why not have so many different version? Different use cases, different methods, improved security vs usability etc.
It's why Kali-Linux isn't used as a mainline desktop. Same reason why Gentoo exist but many people would rather use CentOS or RedHat.
I understand that now. The Linux kernel being free gave any hobbyist the ability to build a custom OS however they wanted. That's fine - but calling these things Linux, and not whatever Rambo'esque name you came up with just never made sense to me.
Again being based on the Linux kernel didn't ensure any kind of compatibility at all, it only ensured some shared code.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
I'm just wondering where the term Linux came into the normal persons vernacular? Why didn't Mandrake or Red Hat or CentOS or Ubuntu become the norm? Why Linux? Probably because, as Scott said, somebody, probably a journalist, wrote about Linux as an OS and the normals just grabbed onto it.
I would say Linux became the "normal" term because you can use it to refer to any variant. Like Ransomware is the normal word almost everyone would know, rather than Locky.
Problem is, there is no useful similarity between all Linux systems, so there is no reason for someone non-technical to refer to them as a group. Other than a casual discussion about market adoption, in what situation do you care that CentOS, Ubuntu, Android, microwave firmware and ChromeOS are all using a Linux kernel? Never. It's just not useful. Apps don't run across them, they share no commonality that an end user could leverage.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Why not have so many different version? Different use cases, different methods, improved security vs usability etc.
It's why Kali-Linux isn't used as a mainline desktop. Same reason why Gentoo exist but many people would rather use CentOS or RedHat.
I understand that now. The Linux kernel being free gave any hobbyist the ability to build a custom OS however they wanted. That's fine - but calling these things Linux, and not whatever Rambo'esque name you came up with just never made sense to me.
Again being based on the Linux kernel didn't ensure any kind of compatibility at all, it only ensured some shared code.
And that's why mostly we don't. And exactly, just some shared code. What they really meant was something else having to do with behaviour that we still have no term for.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
I'm just wondering where the term Linux came into the normal persons vernacular? Why didn't Mandrake or Red Hat or CentOS or Ubuntu become the norm? Why Linux? Probably because, as Scott said, somebody, probably a journalist, wrote about Linux as an OS and the normals just grabbed onto it.
I would say Linux became the "normal" term because you can use it to refer to any variant. Like Ransomware is the normal word almost everyone would know, rather than Locky.
Problem is, there is no useful similarity between all Linux systems, so there is no reason for someone non-technical to refer to them as a group. Other than a casual discussion about market adoption, in what situation do you care that CentOS, Ubuntu, Android, microwave firmware and ChromeOS are all using a Linux kernel? Never. It's just not useful. Apps don't run across them, they share no commonality that an end user could leverage.
This was my whole point!!!
