What Are You Doing Right Now
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@stacksofplates said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Curtis is at it again...
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1822621-i-ve-been-told-linux-is-not-an-operating-system
ahhahahahaha
ahhaha it's at -13 right now.
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How long have I been on those forums now, doh!
We should all upvote the first answer, at least for the first two sentences
I did, because hell that is even how linux.com phrases it more or less.
IMHO it's somehow ok to call Linux an OS, as long as you know that it's not. And a veteran IT pro should know this... But we already had this discussion
That's true. As long as everyone is technical and knows that it is an OS family, not an OS itself, it's fine. Poor semantics, but everyone get it. Except on SW you start to have people who are actually unclear and can't tell when you are using the soft term or the actual one. That's where it becomes a problem. We assume IT Pro at a certain level and that makes it instantly obvious. But in a larger, less technical community you get a lot of people who fall below that technical threshold and get confused.
This is why I generally designate what I'm running by OS Family... Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, et al...
Yup, Linux as a generic term is pretty meaningless. And that kind of nonsense is what leads people to think that ESXi is Linux.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@stacksofplates said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Curtis is at it again...
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1822621-i-ve-been-told-linux-is-not-an-operating-system
ahhahahahaha
ahhaha it's at -13 right now.
How is it possible to get a negative spice count? Reporting the thread?
You have always been able to spice down.
Hover over the button. I unspiced down the thread in order to show you this.
How long have I been on those forums now, doh!
We should all upvote the first answer, at least for the first two sentences
I did, because hell that is even how linux.com phrases it more or less.
IMHO it's somehow ok to call Linux an OS, as long as you know that it's not. And a veteran IT pro should know this... But we already had this discussion
That's true. As long as everyone is technical and knows that it is an OS family, not an OS itself, it's fine. Poor semantics, but everyone get it. Except on SW you start to have people who are actually unclear and can't tell when you are using the soft term or the actual one. That's where it becomes a problem. We assume IT Pro at a certain level and that makes it instantly obvious. But in a larger, less technical community you get a lot of people who fall below that technical threshold and get confused.
This is why I generally designate what I'm running by OS Family... Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, et al...
Yup, Linux as a generic term is pretty meaningless. And that kind of nonsense is what leads people to think that ESXi is Linux.
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@stacksofplates said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Curtis is at it again...
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1822621-i-ve-been-told-linux-is-not-an-operating-system
ahhahahahaha
ahhaha it's at -13 right now.
How is it possible to get a negative spice count? Reporting the thread?
You have always been able to spice down.
Hover over the button. I unspiced down the thread in order to show you this.
How long have I been on those forums now, doh!
We should all upvote the first answer, at least for the first two sentences
I did, because hell that is even how linux.com phrases it more or less.
IMHO it's somehow ok to call Linux an OS, as long as you know that it's not. And a veteran IT pro should know this... But we already had this discussion
That's true. As long as everyone is technical and knows that it is an OS family, not an OS itself, it's fine. Poor semantics, but everyone get it. Except on SW you start to have people who are actually unclear and can't tell when you are using the soft term or the actual one. That's where it becomes a problem. We assume IT Pro at a certain level and that makes it instantly obvious. But in a larger, less technical community you get a lot of people who fall below that technical threshold and get confused.
This is why I generally designate what I'm running by OS Family... Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, et al...
Yup, Linux as a generic term is pretty meaningless. And that kind of nonsense is what leads people to think that ESXi is Linux.
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@stacksofplates said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Curtis is at it again...
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1822621-i-ve-been-told-linux-is-not-an-operating-system
ahhahahahaha
ahhaha it's at -13 right now.
How is it possible to get a negative spice count? Reporting the thread?
You have always been able to spice down.
Hover over the button. I unspiced down the thread in order to show you this.
How long have I been on those forums now, doh!
We should all upvote the first answer, at least for the first two sentences
I did, because hell that is even how linux.com phrases it more or less.
IMHO it's somehow ok to call Linux an OS, as long as you know that it's not. And a veteran IT pro should know this... But we already had this discussion
That's true. As long as everyone is technical and knows that it is an OS family, not an OS itself, it's fine. Poor semantics, but everyone get it. Except on SW you start to have people who are actually unclear and can't tell when you are using the soft term or the actual one. That's where it becomes a problem. We assume IT Pro at a certain level and that makes it instantly obvious. But in a larger, less technical community you get a lot of people who fall below that technical threshold and get confused.
This is why I generally designate what I'm running by OS Family... Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, et al...
Yup, Linux as a generic term is pretty meaningless. And that kind of nonsense is what leads people to think that ESXi is Linux.
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
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Gone... lol...
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Why not have so many different version? Different use cases, different methods, improved security vs usability etc.
It's why Kali-Linux isn't used as a mainline desktop. Same reason why Gentoo exist but many people would rather use CentOS or RedHat.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Jared is right that non-technical people need a simple name. I think that the issue is that non-technical people, like Curtis, are the ones that chose the name that they would use, and they used a name that already has a technical meaning: Linux. Not just a technical term, but an overlapping and opposite one.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
Exactly. The problem with calling it Linux is that they reference totally the wrong part and then Android (which is a Linux based OS) is treated like it isn't Linux and FreeBSD or ESXi which are not at all Linux get treated like they are.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
Yes
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
Maybe it's new functionality that if you get down voted so many times that you can just dump it without a moderator.
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Gone... lol...
Dammit, there was good stuff in there too! Who deleted it?
Not sure, I just went to go and read it for the first time.
Can you still delete your own posts over there?
Yes
That makes conversations like this one, Linux as a OS, pretty much useless to have.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
LOL yeah tech people do - normies don't... the only thing a PC is to a normal person is a Windows computer. A Mac is a Mac or an Apple, and computer running a Linux based OS is just Linux.
So the term PC isn't generic to normals.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
We do, we call them PCs.
LOL yeah tech people do - normies don't... the only thing a PC is to a normal person is a Windows computer. A Mac is a Mac or an Apple, and computer running a Linux based OS is just Linux.
So the term PC isn't generic to normals.
The masses simply call it a >Insert Brand Name Here<
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@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So I have to ask - does does Linux get the name - get the air time? Because tech writers are idiots who really don't know jack and just screwed it up and it was never fixed?
People need generalizations. Because people need a single simple name. But Professionals should know the details.
What? That makes no sense -
Calling something Linux because it makes all the Linux flavored OSs simple is anything but - which personally is one of the major hurtles with it. You can't install a Ubuntu install on CentOS (maybe you can, but often we see posts where you can't). If we need it to be this simple, why don't we call call AMD x64 based computers by the same name - hell they all run the same software - so they're the same, right? LOL
You just posted the other day why you use used one Linux OS because the repos supported that version and not the others.. not that you couldn't make it work, but that it would be more difficult, and less supported by the vendor.
Once Scott explained that Linux OSs were potentially as different as OSX vs Windows, I started having less problems dealing with all of the versions. Then I just asked, why the hell are there so many versions?
Because people have to call it something, and they are all Linux kernal based systems.
People do not call Windows by their version numbers or types. They just say "Windows." Well honestly most people just say "my computer."
Professionals, such as we purport to be, should know this difference and respect it.
But that does not preclude me from just generalizing sometimes and saying "Linux" when there is no need to be specific.
I'm just wondering where the term Linux came into the normal persons vernacular? Why didn't Mandrake or Red Hat or CentOS or Ubuntu become the norm? Why Linux? Probably because, as Scott said, somebody, probably a journalist, wrote about Linux as an OS and the normals just grabbed onto it.
