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    Shadow Copies Are Not A Backup Replacement

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      I call them an "under the hood" component of other processes.

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      • thanksajdotcomT
        thanksajdotcom @Bob Beatty
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        @Bob-Beatty said:

        @ajstringham said:

        @scottalanmiller Yup. Walking into an environment and hearing someone say that snapshots are their backup strategy...here's what you do.

        1. Apply face to palm.
        2. Remove face from palm.
        3. FIRMLY apply palm to other person's face. Repeat until sense has been enabled.

        I sort of did this until about 6 years ago - A VMWARE expert who was helping me setup my infrastructure laid it out for me about snapshots. Whenever I talk about them now, I express that my policy is that snapshots are only allowed to live on my network for a few hours, until I am assured that I don't need to immediately go back to it. It is a fall back process, not a backup strategy.

        That's exactly right. I've been told to never snapshot a DC though if it's in a dual+ DC environment. Causes split-brain issues. Makes sense.

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        • art_of_shredA
          art_of_shred Banned @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller Exactly. An "under-the-hood" component...

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @thanksajdotcom
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            @ajstringham said:

            @Bob-Beatty said:

            @ajstringham said:

            @scottalanmiller Yup. Walking into an environment and hearing someone say that snapshots are their backup strategy...here's what you do.

            1. Apply face to palm.
            2. Remove face from palm.
            3. FIRMLY apply palm to other person's face. Repeat until sense has been enabled.

            I sort of did this until about 6 years ago - A VMWARE expert who was helping me setup my infrastructure laid it out for me about snapshots. Whenever I talk about them now, I express that my policy is that snapshots are only allowed to live on my network for a few hours, until I am assured that I don't need to immediately go back to it. It is a fall back process, not a backup strategy.

            That's exactly right. I've been told to never snapshot a DC though if it's in a dual+ DC environment. Causes split-brain issues. Makes sense.

            People say this about DCs but it applies to any database or HA system.

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            • thanksajdotcomT
              thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              @ajstringham said:

              @Bob-Beatty said:

              @ajstringham said:

              @scottalanmiller Yup. Walking into an environment and hearing someone say that snapshots are their backup strategy...here's what you do.

              1. Apply face to palm.
              2. Remove face from palm.
              3. FIRMLY apply palm to other person's face. Repeat until sense has been enabled.

              I sort of did this until about 6 years ago - A VMWARE expert who was helping me setup my infrastructure laid it out for me about snapshots. Whenever I talk about them now, I express that my policy is that snapshots are only allowed to live on my network for a few hours, until I am assured that I don't need to immediately go back to it. It is a fall back process, not a backup strategy.

              That's exactly right. I've been told to never snapshot a DC though if it's in a dual+ DC environment. Causes split-brain issues. Makes sense.

              People say this about DCs but it applies to any database or HA system.

              That would be true and make sense. Anything that has references between points or failovers this would be a bad thing to do to.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                Came across this thread and was wondering what had happened to the OP? His disappeared from here and other forums too.

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                • KOOLERK
                  KOOLER Vendor @scottalanmiller
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                  @Bill-Kindle said:

                  I see this all the time. People will setup Shadow Copies as a replacement for their normal backups, and then are shocked when they run out of space on their under-provisioned servers. And on top of that, they create multiple copies per day!

                  I need to add "Shadow Copies are not a replacement for backups!" saying to the "Snapshots are not backups!" line I use all the time.

                  Aside from all of that, what is this forum running? Looks pretty slick.

                  Bill is active on SpiceWorks. Renamed himself to Little Green Man so you don't see "Bill Kindle" tagged posts anymore.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    Ah I think that I knew that. Although I don't feel like I've seen his alter ego much either.

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