Datacenters: Colocation vs. Cloud
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The thing is ESXi really only makes sense for SMB market due to it's ease of manageability. if you offer it as a service you have the IT knowledge to run it well, where as a SMB has little to no expertise. ESXi also does not scale very well. We have absolutely no ESXi here. Yet we are fully virtualized.
Having said that it should be easy to do DR to another Hypervisor if you plan well. or maybe just switch to Xen or XenServer.
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@coliver said:
@thecreativeone91 Oh... I thought it had more features then that.
If they did they would be competing a lot with their customers. I don't think that they want to go there as turning themselves into the sole VMware cloud host would make them a cloud backwater almost overnight.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
The thing is ESXi really only makes sense for SMB market due to it's ease of manageability.
ESXi as a service is really a SMB-focused product. Which big players like Amazon and Rackspace aren't willing to target.
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I guess I should say if you are offering the service you should have the knowledge. C@C didn't.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
You can get cloud backups with shipping physical disk features. Nothing about being virtual limits that.
Whether physical or virtual, I've not found a decent backup vendor in the UK who offers that feature. I need the data on a drive, with a courier, straight away. Unless I've missed someone really obvious.
@scottalanmiller said:
Normally cloud is backed up to the same site for near instant restore and a DR site is another cloud. So the need for shipping drives does not exist in a standard architecture.
Not sure I follow? With a single server and single site which needs a backup, server falls over, on site backups corrupted, time to use the cloud, what happens next?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Normally cloud is backed up to the same site for near instant restore and a DR site is another cloud. So the need for shipping drives does not exist in a standard architecture.
Not sure I follow? With a single server and single site which needs a backup, server falls over, on site backups corrupted, time to use the cloud, what happens next?
Well if the server is running in the cloud rather than locally. It has a local Instant recovery backup image at the same DC then the DC's DR site either has a hot version or a backup image at the DR site.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Well if the server is running in the cloud rather than locally.
Key word being if of course.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Not sure I follow? With a single server and single site which needs a backup, server falls over, on site backups corrupted, time to use the cloud, what happens next?
With cloud, if things fail, you restore in seconds with another instance unless the ENTIRE site is down. Then you use your DR site. In either case, under normal cloud designs, downtime in minutes and shipping drives is not useful.
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@mlnews said:
With cloud, if things fail, you restore in seconds with another instance unless the ENTIRE site is down.
Still doesn't help if people are using on site servers, I'm talking about data backup only in the cloud.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@mlnews said:
With cloud, if things fail, you restore in seconds with another instance unless the ENTIRE site is down.
Still doesn't help if people are using on site servers, I'm talking about data backup only in the cloud.
Ah, that's really a different animal that datacenter usage. The thread is about colo vs. IaaS. That's really backup as a service that you are talking about which doesn't exist in cloud because cloud computing is a specific thing that doesn't apply here. Backup could be built on a cloud architecture, of course, but that it is cloud or colo under the hood is purely under the hood and would make no different to you.
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I think you are using the term cloud backup to mean hosted backup service. Cloud here means cloud computing / IaaS.
Hosted, sure, but colo is hosted too, equally.
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Off site backup services will ship harddives. CrashPlan and others will do this.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@mlnews said:
With cloud, if things fail, you restore in seconds with another instance unless the ENTIRE site is down.
Still doesn't help if people are using on site servers, I'm talking about data backup only in the cloud.
Ah, that's really a different animal that datacenter usage. The thread is about colo vs. IaaS. That's really backup as a service that you are talking about which doesn't exist in cloud because cloud computing is a specific thing that doesn't apply here.
Actually, I am the VDR expert.
Big red V's solution is built on Zerto. Replicates your VMs from any site over to the DR environment in Miami or Virginia. Then it's just a few settings here and there, some power ups, and you are back in business. Great idea, shame that big red V can't support it because they shitcanned their SME for it. So don't go with them.
I have other things in the pipe for this, but can't speak about it.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Off site backup services will ship harddives. CrashPlan and others will do this.
"Customers in the US, Australia, New Zealand, and all overseas US Armed Forces POs."
http://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/Latest/Backup/Seeded_BackupCan I find someone who is not in the US?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Off site backup services will ship harddives. CrashPlan and others will do this.
"Customers in the US, Australia, New Zealand, and all overseas US Armed Forces POs."
http://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/Latest/Backup/Seeded_BackupCan I find someone who is not in the US?
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
Real question, this is something that I've been trying to figure out and cannot. Why do all these companies start and succeed in the US and no one leverage the known, working model elsewhere where the service is needed and lacking?
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I have one client with a collocation space rented for their offsite backups. They know the other options, but chose this route anyway.
Everything else is hosted.
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@JaredBusch said:
I have one client with a collocation space rented for their offsite backups. They know the other options, but chose this route anyway.
Everything else is hosted.
I can see backup tasks as a good place for colo in many cases. The odd capacity needs can make that very cost effective.
We keep a large Unitrends device in a colo for our own backups.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I can see backup tasks as a good place for colo in many cases. The odd capacity needs can make that very cost effective.
Their choice also had benefits for me. They allowed us to put in our own servers, originally for a lab, in their space (because they only needed 1U and cannot rent only 1U cost effectively). Si I have a couple Dell servers and a switch in there.
Our phone system is running on it (because it evolved from a test VM) as well as a few other tasks that I have not moved to a hosted solution simply because the space is available at a cost less than hosted.
Once that changes, the loads will go hosted.
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Oh, we mostly use 2U slots, but the 1U in our colo is VERY cost effective. Not half the cost of 2U but not more than 70%, I'd say. It's a great deal if you don't need the extra local disk space.
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@scottalanmiller said:
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.
