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    Small Business Server 2003 to 2012 R2 Migration and Virtualized Domain Controller Questions

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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch
      last edited by JaredBusch

      Correct you can do everything except the demote/promote parts. The new servers should be joined to the domain as member servers. There is no restriction on member servers.

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      • garak0410G
        garak0410
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        Question about the virtual file server...it is set up and now I need it to see the D drive from the physical server so it will have its own D drive for the files.. So, when I eventually copy (RoboCopy) the files from the SBS 2003 server to the new file server...where will they be stored? In a VDISK that I attach to the VM or on the Hyper-V host physical drive? Again, sorry for a newbie question but feeling much more confident today.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
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          A VHD sitting on your storage array. You should have only one place for putting VHDs in this setup.

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          • garak0410G
            garak0410
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            OK, so for the file server VM, I am going to create a new VDISK (2 or 2.5 TB most likely) to attach to my file server for the files to copy to. Thanks...

            I think it helps to take each thing step by step. I am still aiming for Friday night demotion/promotion.

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            • garak0410G
              garak0410
              last edited by

              I'm about to do the next step:

              		§ Prepare your Domain for your new Server 2012 R2 Domain Controllers
              			□ Run adprep /forstprep from the 2012 DVD on the old server.
              

              Is it safe to run during business hours or should I wait?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                I would generally wait until after hours but should be pretty safe in most environments. AD is rarely something that an SMB depends on minute to minute.

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                • garak0410G
                  garak0410 @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  I would generally wait until after hours but should be pretty safe in most environments. AD is rarely something that an SMB depends on minute to minute.

                  Tempting to do now...but I can VPN around 5:30 and run it too.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    Yeah. If you can do that, it is a better way to go.

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                    • garak0410G
                      garak0410
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      Yeah. If you can do that, it is a better way to go.

                      OK, so Adprep tonight. Question when looking slightly ahead at my list past ADPREP. If I promote my new DC to a Domain Controller, when does it eventually inherit the name of the soon to be old domain controller? I don't see that option in my list and in this thread even, it is said it can remain the same domain name.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller
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                        It doesn't. You don't name servers the same thing as old servers.

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                        • garak0410G
                          garak0410 @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          It doesn't. You don't name servers the same thing as old servers.

                          I hope I didn't confuse everyone again. I understand server name is different but the domain name. I thought I read where it can remain the same

                          Earlier Question: "If I migrate, the domain remains the same, correct? Dashrender said Yes"

                          and if so, was wondering at what step does it take over the name of the current domain. Sorry for the confusion...

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            The domain name does remain the same. It's the name of the entire domain. There is no other name at any time.

                            Every machine in a domain whether a node, a DC member or the forest root all share the same name. So the "rename" happens the moment you join the new server to the domain.

                            And in DNS, the moment you make it a DC it will have an equal share in the DNS round robin name resolution of the domain.

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                            • garak0410G
                              garak0410 @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              The domain name does remain the same. It's the name of the entire domain. There is no other name at any time.

                              Every machine in a domain whether a node, a DC member or the forest root all share the same name. So the "rename" happens the moment you join the new server to the domain.

                              And in DNS, the moment you make it a DC it will have an equal share in the DNS round robin name resolution of the domain.

                              That makes a little more sense...I think. 👍

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                              • garak0410G
                                garak0410
                                last edited by

                                Another curve ball. New backup software wasn't in the budget and the only way our current suite (Backup Assist) backs up AD only if it runs on the Domain Controller. It can backup files remotely but can only backup AD on the AD machine. So, unless I can get another backup solution (doubtful), I'll have to run backups from the Domain Controller and thus, I may need to bump up the memory some.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  There is some weird terminology there. What is "the AD machine" mean?

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                                  • garak0410G
                                    garak0410
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    There is some weird terminology there. What is "the AD machine" mean?

                                    (Masking the real names with generic names)
                                    Current Domain Controller
                                    Name: servernamedc
                                    Domain: domainname.local

                                    New Domain Controller (Virtual)
                                    Name: newserver

                                    I think what I am trying to explain and get an answer to...I want the domain domainname.local to remain the same when it migrates to the new domain controller. I do understand that it will be a new server name. Check. But I've been told in this threat and another one, that the domain name can and will remain the same post migration. If that is true so far, I'll follow up with secondary questions.

                                    SO appreciate your patience.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      The domain name will point to all DCs equally.

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                                      • garak0410G
                                        garak0410 @scottalanmiller
                                        last edited by

                                        @scottalanmiller said:

                                        The domain name will point to all DCs equally.

                                        So at one point of this migration, both servers will be handing the domain, correct?

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @garak0410
                                          last edited by

                                          @garak0410 said:

                                          @scottalanmiller said:

                                          The domain name will point to all DCs equally.

                                          So at one point of this migration, both servers will be handing the domain, correct?

                                          Yes. Until you decommission the old one they will be an application cluster.

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                                          • garak0410G
                                            garak0410 @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            @garak0410 said:

                                            @scottalanmiller said:

                                            The domain name will point to all DCs equally.

                                            So at one point of this migration, both servers will be handing the domain, correct?

                                            Yes. Until you decommission the old one they will be an application cluster.

                                            Excellent...sorry, this would be easier if I could TALK rather than type.

                                            My roadblock now is backups since our current solution wants to run on the domain controller to backup AD. I guess it can but I was really moving toward it being the domain controller and nothing else. Everything I look at a glace shows to be $1000 or more per license per server.

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