Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Guns don't kill people. People kill people and with all manner of devices.
I don't think it could be said any better than that... I mean anything that's not bolted down is potentially a murder weapon.
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here is some thoughts on the matter:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/school-shooting-bible-meaning-hope/
Even though it is article is geared towards school shootings. It is also helpful to understand the principle motives behind them.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Criminals gonna perp. Guns gonna be available to them in perpetuity. That has not changed since perps smuggled spears into "spear free zones" and started slashing.
reminds me of Back to the Future 3 - Tannan with a gun in his hat
Yeah - you're not wrong.
Short of killing all ability to acquire shooting weapons - specific no-shooty weapons zones will always be hit by the criminals.
And even once you make shooty's illegal - it will probably take 30+ years to get enough off the streets before you actually see a decline in violence caused by them.
It's just an impractical battle from the anti-shooty people.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT: As far as causation goes, no, one could attribute factors across the board. But, and it's a big one, the catch is that all large centers have similar attributes as far as poverty, unemployment, and so on. Once we factor that in, the party demarks become a lot clearer.
Please show me a large, I mean 1 million plus (and that might even be to small) metro that doesn't lean all liberal/democrat.
Nebraska a typically Red state is now a purple state because the single large metro is so liberal/democrat.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT: As far as causation goes, no, one could attribute factors across the board. But, and it's a big one, the catch is that all large centers have similar attributes as far as poverty, unemployment, and so on. Once we factor that in, the party demarks become a lot clearer.
Please show me a large, I mean 1 million plus (and that might even be to small) metro that doesn't lean all liberal/democrat.
Nebraska a typically Red state is now a purple state because the single large metro is so liberal/democrat.
Once the 2020 election gets fixed I'll believe the Democrat Party
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@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Inclusion stops once they are out of school and the real world smacks them upside the head. There is no inclusion in the normal workforce.
That said - all the under 24 year olds - well - I'm not sure school is really that inclusive, children certainly are not. Age is what generally bring pemper to people... You see all kinds of collage age people protesting, etc - but the older folk - not so much. The youth are generally the ones really bucking the system, that "teenage rebellion stage" which lasts well into most of their 20's...
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Inclusion stops once they are out of school and the real world smacks them upside the head. There is no inclusion in the normal workforce.
That said - all the under 24 year olds - well - I'm not sure school is really that inclusive, children certainly are not. Age is what generally bring pemper to people... You see all kinds of collage age people protesting, etc - but the older folk - not so much. The youth are generally the ones really bucking the system, that "teenage rebellion stage" which lasts well into most of their 20's...
We home school. We do so for good reason.
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@ITivan80 said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
here is some thoughts on the matter:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/school-shooting-bible-meaning-hope/
Even though it is article is geared towards school shootings. It is also helpful to understand the principle motives behind them.
I feel like I've just been rick rolled or trolled - not sure which one actually applies...
basically you're blaming (or the article is) the end of days - judgement day? to each their own I guess.
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@Dashrender no rick rolled here. Just an understanding of the times we are currently living in. Here is a magazine that may help us all understand the why
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/awake-no1-2019-mar-apr/under-gods-kingdom/
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One thing I see very few people mention... the news and media constantly talk about the number of deaths much like it is a "score". There is a gamification element in the system.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Inclusion stops once they are out of school and the real world smacks them upside the head. There is no inclusion in the normal workforce.
That said - all the under 24 year olds - well - I'm not sure school is really that inclusive, children certainly are not. Age is what generally bring pemper to people... You see all kinds of collage age people protesting, etc - but the older folk - not so much. The youth are generally the ones really bucking the system, that "teenage rebellion stage" which lasts well into most of their 20's...
We home school. We do so for good reason.
Same here.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Criminals gonna perp. Guns gonna be available to them in perpetuity. That has not changed since perps smuggled spears into "spear free zones" and started slashing.
reminds me of Back to the Future 3 - Tannan with a gun in his hat
Yeah - you're not wrong.
Short of killing all ability to acquire shooting weapons - specific no-shooty weapons zones will always be hit by the criminals.
And even once you make shooty's illegal - it will probably take 30+ years to get enough off the streets before you actually see a decline in violence caused by them.
It's just an impractical battle from the anti-shooty people.
Real world examples say that you can take guns away quickly and effectively. It's been done in large countries before to great effect. You can want or not want gun control of different sorts, that's a different issue. But the ability to take them off of the streets and make them all but impossible to get and easy to identify when rogue (that's the biggest deal) is actually quite easy and the US is anything but an exception to the norm.
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@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Participation trophies are a form of mockery, not inclusion.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Yup. And there's a distinct/direct correlation between guns and crime and the Democrat Party.
Please expand that thought.
Chicago - Shots, Shots, Shots
DC - Shots, Shots, ShotsAgain, look at the FBI statistics. It's not hard to put together what party affiliation the anti-gun powers that be belong to.
We live in an era of "Think this way because experts say so" without anyone taking the time to actually dig in to the statistics. That's all it takes is to put some effort and critical thinking skills into something to figure out who is blowing it out their arse and who is not.
Biggest shooting zones for just gun deaths are not those cities. EVeryone points to them because they are big, but their rates are actually not that bad.
St. Louis is the worst in the US, and is anything but blue. Shootings happen where there are more guns. MAybe because of guns, maybe because of people who want guns. But the math is solid... where you allow guns, you allow shootings.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Participation trophies are a form of mockery, not inclusion.
That I totally understand. It seems that the ones handing them out, don't.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
I personally doubt it, but it is an interesting theory. Loads of idle youth being told hell and brimstone by the religious side, political division by the government, and both ecological and economic gloom and doom by everyone. Give them lots of guns, lots of angst and nothing else to do and you definitely could get this.
It's a solid thought. Unlikely I think, but it has merit.
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@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Participation trophies are a form of mockery, not inclusion.
That I totally understand. It seems that the ones handing them out, don't.
Why doesn't it seem that way? I think that they seem pretty clear on their mockery and not taking the kids seriously in any way end to end. Every witnessed education at play in the US? It's mockery to them, for sure.
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@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
EDIT 2: Switzerland. Every household has a gun. It's mandatory service there. Where's the mass shootings?
We have one of the highest per capita firearms ownership up here and yet where are the mass shootings?
Why is that? Why would the focus be on disarming the US as a nation? What could the possible motive be for removing over 300M firearms from We the People's hands?
I think another issue we have is that we are looked at as a single country (of course which we are) but really we shouldn't be. At best we should be look regionally or only at the state level. That would put us comparably much closer to the rest of the world. Granted we'll have places like Nebraska/S. Dakota/N. Dakota/Montanna have super low populations compared to our landmasses.. but still.. stop looking at the USA as a single thing - and break it into more closely related parts for your comparisons.
HOw would it make us more comparable? Remember that shootings are done as "rates", not whole numbers. Breaking it up would make some states better and some worse, but the average would still be the worst in the world - it would not change at all because no matter how much you break it up, the percentages stay the same. That's why percentages are what we use so that size has no bearing.
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@PhlipElder said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Why is that? Why would the focus be on disarming the US as a nation? What could the possible motive be for removing over 300M firearms from We the People's hands?
BEcause other countries that have had this issue were able to solve it that way. The number of nations with large numbers of firearms and safety are few and VERY differnet from the US....
I'll post why.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@scottalanmiller said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@Dashrender said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
@pmoncho said in Why have mass shootings increased - you thoughts?:
Another possible reason I thought of was, sheer boredom with "idle hands."
Heck, "They started quarreling out of sheer boredom" is used as the example in the Cambridge dictionary.
So to that end:
I'm wondering if lately, the whole trophy for everyone/entitlement mentality is a driving force for younger people doing this.
It's possible. One would think inclusion would give a sense of pride but maybe it is having the reverse affect.
Participation trophies are a form of mockery, not inclusion.
That I totally understand. It seems that the ones handing them out, don't.
Why doesn't it seem that way? I think that they seem pretty clear on their mockery and not taking the kids seriously in any way end to end. Every witnessed education at play in the US? It's mockery to them, for sure.
If they know it then why do it unless they expect something in return?
If not then, I think the parents/adults believe it is for their children's mental protection and will do anything to not let them feel bad. The rest of the planet knows in the long term the mockery is detrimental to their children's future.
