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@pete-s said in Job offer:
Yes, does it really makes a difference if you're a contractor or employee? You don't have any safe income either way.
There is a difference. In one case, they have to fire you and have to worry about concepts like discrimination. Can they "just fire you"? Yes, more or less. But it's firing, and there is unemployment and all that stuff.
In the other, your contract ends and there is no obligation to re-hire you. The lack of rehiring can be for any reason, including illegal ones, and you have no ground to do anything about it. It has an automatic end date that requires effort to overcome on their side.
Momentum is huge. In one case, they have to make an effort to fire him. In the other, they have to make an effort not to.
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One extremely important thing to me is the industry of the company. Certain industries tend to be more IT friendly and have more robust infrastructure with more needs. For example, the best industries for stability and pay tend to be important ones like financial, Healthcare, government/defense, and a few others.
Other industries like retail, manufacturing, etc don't care about IT or data safety as much as they purely do for profits (right now). I'd gotta say travel agency is probably one of the worst industries to be involved with IMO.
- the obvious reasons why it's bad during a pandemic, but also 2) it's just a middle man and completely unnecessary industry.
Now that we've looked at the industry of the employer let move onto the other obvious cons.
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you're a temp for an entry level position after having what 3-4 years experience? This is the kind of position you might take if you walked off the street with zero experience.
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you might be making more money without the benefits, but you've just basically told everyone that I'm ok being an entry level for another 2-3 years of my life.
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what's a potential employer gonna think a year from now when they see a guy with 4-5 years entry level experience with two lateral entry level jobs?
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the job sounds like it sucks.
This basically sums it up. Congrats on getting an offer, but given your current status, stay where you are and keep looking.
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@pete-s said in Job offer:
The only safety you can have as a white collar worker is having skills and experience that are valuable and sought-after.
This is huge as a general rule (doesn't help much for the given job.) I've preached this SO much.
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+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
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+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
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+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
wow - 25 years of OT... most companies hate OT... though, it's likely cheaper than highering another person.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
It was never said, so No worries.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
It was never said, so No worries.
Not in your OP - but it has been part of this thread.
Your total compensation needs to be looked at when looking at new options, especially if if you rely on it, like you rely on the OT money.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
It was never said, so No worries.
Not in your OP - but it has been part of this thread.
Your total compensation needs to be looked at when looking at new options, especially if if you rely on it, like you rely on the OT money.
thats what I meant - wasn't specified in OP
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
wow - 25 years of OT... most companies hate OT... though, it's likely cheaper than highering another person.
Yep. That is how my old boss figured it. I did manage a couple other co-workers over the years but as tech has changed, so has the need for additional IT employees.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
As an employer, we deal with that a lot. Had a meeting about all the people living on neverending overtime here just today.
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@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
As an employer, we deal with that a lot. Had a meeting about all the people living on neverending overtime here just today.
that really seems like two problems - one, an employee has the need for more income. and two, the company has more work to be accomplished than a single person can do.
As an employee - I would assume (though not always true) that the employee would like to stick to the more normal work hours giving them more personal/home/family time...
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
As an employer, we deal with that a lot. Had a meeting about all the people living on neverending overtime here just today.
that really seems like two problems - one, an employee has the need for more income. and two, the company has more work to be accomplished than a single person can do.
As an employee - I would assume (though not always true) that the employee would like to stick to the more normal work hours giving them more personal/home/family time...
In my situation, IT is only about 65% of the job. The other 35% is dealing with our LOB app, client app support, along with a bunch of other stupid little stuff.
I always looked at this way, I am considered a Manager/Supervisor also. Coming from the restaurant industry, the Managers/Supervisors had 45-55 hour weeks no matter what so it has never bothered me. To top it off, my boss and I had a darn good working relationship until she passed.
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
@scottalanmiller said in Job offer:
@dashrender said in Job offer:
+~$6.00 an hour.
12k/year isn't worth the risk included with this offer.
I think we would need to figure out the % of "raise?" A possible 30% raise may/may not be worth the risk.
yeah - figuring it out is the trouble.
He's currently accustomed to getting x amount of OT - and that money is part of his daily life - so that has to be counted in there as well.I had a job once where I was paid $11/hr - normally would be making $22K/year, but my OT made it much closer to 30K/year. My next job was at $35K/year - huge hourly increase, but take home difference was small - but it was nice to move down to a normal 40 hr work week.
Good point. I must have missed the OT part.
I haven't seen a 40 work week in 25+ years so I understand about melding OT money in one's daily life.
As an employer, we deal with that a lot. Had a meeting about all the people living on neverending overtime here just today.
that really seems like two problems - one, an employee has the need for more income. and two, the company has more work to be accomplished than a single person can do.
As an employee - I would assume (though not always true) that the employee would like to stick to the more normal work hours giving them more personal/home/family time...
In my situation, IT is only about 65% of the job. The other 35% is dealing with our LOB app, client app support, along with a bunch of other stupid little stuff.
I always looked at this way, I am considered a Manager/Supervisor also. Coming from the restaurant industry, the Managers/Supervisors had 45-55 hour weeks no matter what so it has never bothered me. To top it off, my boss and I had a darn good working relationship until she passed.
OH - I know all about this. I'm similar - maybe 40% IT - 50% - bench - 10% LOB. Luckily I don't manage people - I know it's not a strength of mine.
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I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
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I just received an offer yesterday evening, and have all weekend to think about it. Not sure if this should be a new post, but it's definitely related, and wanted some feedback from the community.
Currently work at an MSP as support engineer, and have been here a year. Gained lots of experience with different technology, including getting my feet wet with some azure ad stuff. I received offer for a growing logistics company as a network admin. However, I will mostly be racking and stacking at the new facilities the company is buying so it will require travel across the country every other month, depending how fast these new facilities are bought out. Their offering me a guarantee 85K with 10 percent annual bonus. At my current job, I'm getting guaranteed 65K with quarterly incentives, which make it close to 70K.
Pros: 20K more than what I'm getting now. Will be my first time employed with an internal IT team vs msp team. It's a fast growing company, so may have some opportunities to implement some stuff in their environment.
Cons: Lots of their infrastructure is managed by various 3rd parties such as msp. Seems like I would be a "rack monkey" as my friend describes it even though my job title is "network admin". Would be away from my family every once in awhile for weeks at a time. Also a pro for me because I'll be visiting new states I haven't been to.
FYI: I will ask my current employer if they would counter, which I highly doubt they will. Also I have another interview lined up Monday with another company, which will require no travel. So I've got some options, and negotiations to do this coming week.
Thoughts?
Let's see if @scottalanmiller will split the topic into it's own.
As for the situation - yeah definitely sounds like Benchwork as Scott likes to call it. Scott's mentioned that he's seem some bench techs pull in 120K+, assuming that's still the case - at least there would be a potential to grow in this direction.
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
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@dashrender said in Job offer:
I think you have to ask yourself - do you want to do bench work or IT work?
I want to do IT, which was the reason I applied for the position based on the responsibilities listed.
Examples of some of the responsibilities listed for the role.
1)"Assist with the baseline design and implementation of Microsoft Active Directory architecture, Domain Name Systems (DNS), and Group Policy Objects (GPO). ". 2)"Identify, analyze, and report resource constraints within the cloud environment, using information collected from a variety of sources, to maintain cloud service operations"
A little more details, this company originally had all their IT outsourced. They hired an IT director (my direct report) about 14 months ago, and a senior network engineer 11 months ago. Seems they are looking at bringing all those services in-house, if the costs make sense. I look at it like possibly being an opportunity where I can implement something in their environment. And if worse case, and I'm just consumed with Benchwork, I'll just leave and find another job. 20K is a big jump, especially with the raise of inflation, and providing for a family.
