DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues
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I have a client with a DELL PowerEdge T410. He has Dual Processors and (4) 16 GB RAM Sticks.
The memory is Samsung M393B2G70BH0-CK0 Samsung 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600MHz ECC Registered CL11 240-Pin DIMM Dual Rank Memory Module Mfr P-N that was spec'ed out by PCM.
When he puts in 32 GB it works great. When he goes to 64 bit (32 on each CPU) the system blue screens/very unstable. He has swapped positions of the memory and only used 1 stick at a time to see if there is a bad module. The server is running Windows Server 2016 Standard.
Each memory stick passes the memory diagnostic.
This document says with 16 GB modules on Dual Processors that slots 1 and 2 (on each processor) should be populated for Optimized memory. https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_poweredge/poweredge-t410_user's guide6_en-us.pdf
The bios is set at Optimizer for the memory settings.
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As a rule, the primary slot in each channel should be populated. So, 4 sticks per CPU.
Make sure Memory RAS settings are default and not stripe or mirror. That may be part of the problem.
Make sure the sticks are in the primary slot for each channel which is usually a different colour than the secondary and furthest from the CPU.
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@PhlipElder said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
As a rule, the primary slot in each channel should be populated. So, 4 sticks per CPU.
Make sure Memory RAS settings are default and not stripe or mirror. That may be part of the problem.
Make sure the sticks are in the primary slot for each channel which is usually a different colour than the secondary and furthest from the CPU.
T410 is old 5500 series chipset which is triple channel, so I don't think you gain anything with 4 per CPU.
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@CCWTech said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
I have a client with a DELL PowerEdge T410. He has Dual Processors and (4) 16 GB RAM Sticks.
The memory is Samsung M393B2G70BH0-CK0 Samsung 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600MHz ECC Registered CL11 240-Pin DIMM Dual Rank Memory Module Mfr P-N that was spec'ed out by PCM.
When he puts in 32 GB it works great. When he goes to 64 bit (32 on each CPU) the system blue screens/very unstable. He has swapped positions of the memory and only used 1 stick at a time to see if there is a bad module. The server is running Windows Server 2016 Standard.
Each memory stick passes the memory diagnostic.
This document says with 16 GB modules on Dual Processors that slots 1 and 2 (on each processor) should be populated for Optimized memory. https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_poweredge/poweredge-t410_user's guide6_en-us.pdf
The bios is set at Optimizer for the memory settings.
In the Dell Poweredge T410 Technical Guidebook it says 8GB RAM modules max.
There could be different hardware revisions of the motherboard. I assume you have the latest BIOS installed?
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@Pete-S said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
@CCWTech said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
I have a client with a DELL PowerEdge T410. He has Dual Processors and (4) 16 GB RAM Sticks.
The memory is Samsung M393B2G70BH0-CK0 Samsung 16GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600MHz ECC Registered CL11 240-Pin DIMM Dual Rank Memory Module Mfr P-N that was spec'ed out by PCM.
When he puts in 32 GB it works great. When he goes to 64 bit (32 on each CPU) the system blue screens/very unstable. He has swapped positions of the memory and only used 1 stick at a time to see if there is a bad module. The server is running Windows Server 2016 Standard.
Each memory stick passes the memory diagnostic.
This document says with 16 GB modules on Dual Processors that slots 1 and 2 (on each processor) should be populated for Optimized memory. https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_ser_stor_net/esuprt_poweredge/poweredge-t410_user's guide6_en-us.pdf
The bios is set at Optimizer for the memory settings.
In the Dell Poweredge T410 Technical Guidebook it says 8GB RAM modules max.
There could be different hardware revisions of the motherboard. I assume you have the latest BIOS installed?
Lol that'll do it
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IMHO the machine is just too old to mess around with. Should have bought a new or if money was tight, a refurbished server.
T410 has a Xeon 5500 series CPU. Then we had the Xeon 5600. Then the E5-2600 generation came followed by the E5-2600V2. Then the V3 and the V4. And now the Xeon Scalable.
That's a lot of water under the bridge. A nine year old computer is just not worth upgrading.
PS. The good thing is that the 4x16GB RDIMMs will work in everything up to a E5-2600 V2. Then everything became DDR4. A single E5-2600 V2 will be much faster than a dual 5500 series CPU. Use a lot less energy too.
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@Pete-S said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
@PhlipElder said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
As a rule, the primary slot in each channel should be populated. So, 4 sticks per CPU.
Make sure Memory RAS settings are default and not stripe or mirror. That may be part of the problem.
Make sure the sticks are in the primary slot for each channel which is usually a different colour than the secondary and furthest from the CPU.
T410 is old 5500 series chipset which is triple channel, so I don't think you gain anything with 4 per CPU.
Heh .. I didn't clue in to the generation indicator thus my mistake. Apologies ...
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I agree on the age, I think it's going to take more work in labor cost than it's worth, but that's not my decision.
However the documentation says it will support 16 GB Modules and the fact that when only 2 are plugged in it will work with 32 GB of ram makes me think that's not it. I don't think it's a 32 GB Max issue but I guess we could try 1 stick for each CPU and see what happens there.
We have checked the memory configuration as to what slots should be populated and from everything I can see we are using the correct slots.
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@CCWTech No support for 16GB modules according to this doc. That's why I'm thinking there might be different hardware revisions on the motherboard and different BIOS versions might support different memory configs. Or there are sockets on the motherboard that doesn't work.
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Got it!
I gave the client a link to this thread and I think he's going to scrap the server and look for something from Xbyte.
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@CCWTech said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
Got it!
I gave the client a link to this thread and I think he's going to scrap the server and look for something from Xbyte.
Smart, supporting old gear in this way just too often ends up being too costly. High cost, low returns.
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@Pete-S said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
@PhlipElder said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
As a rule, the primary slot in each channel should be populated. So, 4 sticks per CPU.
Make sure Memory RAS settings are default and not stripe or mirror. That may be part of the problem.
Make sure the sticks are in the primary slot for each channel which is usually a different colour than the secondary and furthest from the CPU.
T410 is old 5500 series chipset which is triple channel, so I don't think you gain anything with 4 per CPU.
Yeah, that era was three or six.
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@pete-s how does any of this make my sense at all??? Did anyone even read any of this thread before posting???
You say he CANT use 16gb sticks which he has CLEARLY done already and have worked but instead of giving good answers you guys pressure people to move on because the people commenting on here either can’t read or don’t know enough already...
This is aggravating because every post about the T410 gets cut off with nonsense like this crp...
He used 16gb sticks so remove your comment, or don’t make one and move on if you didn’t have the answer to the question you just made the question more confusing
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@sickless316 for anyone else that crosses this thread all previous. Here’s the specs https://i.dell.com/sites/csdocuments/Shared-Content_data-Sheets_Documents/en/T410-SpecSheet.pdf
It clearly outlines a capability to use 16gb up to 128gb of Ram total.
I’ve heard but been unable to confirm that with the first version of its BIOs update from the original they allowed 1600mhz PC3L-12800R type RAM.
The second BIOs update supposedly allows the board to go up to 256gb of RAM which is insane for a local home server or small thing for not “project”.
Alone if this is used as a “media server” with two Xeon 5675 then it’s a great machine to meet needs. Servers are normally ahead on technology anyway and the components (besides the cpu) and the components for this machine were used into late 2015 at least. As a home media server OT can support up to 30-50 devices easily depending on stream quality and setup...
The worst part is finding or making a case that isn’t the original case because of the EATX type layout that’s oversized even for EATX because it’s a server motherboard shoved into a tower.
I have a build that’s only cost me $250 so far to use the Xeon 5675s with 128gb with a Corsair case, 16Tb of storage with 16Tb of backup and leftover components like a Sas controller out of larger decommissioned server rack. I looked for good deals on eBay, CraigL, Mercaria and FB marketplace till I gathered everything for cheap and it’s a monster small platform media server ready to server... don’t expect to game on this server or anything but to say it’s useless or costs too much makes me second guess most the answers on these forums...
I’m just serving out media to family members as running personal VMs in my spare time for other tasks and projects. Dual CPUs are hard for gamin unless your able to access an API like Vulkan which splits gaming performance among all the cores equally (unless the game is coded for single core usage) and easily format this machine to do with the multiple cores. Just don’t go directX cause the single core power of the 5500 Xeons leaves apt to be desired
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@ccwtech hello I know it’s been years but if anyone ever wants the answer to this question...
The T410 is a tri channel board with Dimms have white and black sides in the Dimm slots
A 1,2,3 plus 4
B 1,2,3 plus 4The first three on A or B cpu must be filled in order with identical types of Ram. The 4th can be different size but not frequency... But if you try to do a 4gb in slot one it will try to give errors if you skip slot two ORRRR you put in 8Gb to slot 2 and 3.
Filling slot four isn’t necessary but can maximize Ram, and the dimms for dual cpus need to be put in the same order. Single cpu you can get away with flex but if you use dual put the same size Ram and frequency in the same A1 and B1 slots as well as the rules above dealing with trichannel dealing with the rest of the slots for A and B.
Dimms Slots 1,2,3 in both CPU will have white tabs on the Ram slots while slot 4 will have black locking tabs. This is the Ram channel you won’t use unless you have filled the rest of both CPU channels. So basically if cpu 1 has two Ram cards then cpu 2 needs two of the same type as cpu 1 in the same slots. If you do have Ram in slots 1 & 3 then from what I’ve read it will ignore slot 3 without 2 being filled as well.
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@sickless316 said in DELL PowerEdge T410 - Memory Configuration Issues:
@pete-s how does any of this make my sense at all??? Did anyone even read any of this thread before posting???
You say he CANT use 16gb sticks which he has CLEARLY done already and have worked but instead of giving good answers you guys pressure people to move on because the people commenting on here either can’t read or don’t know enough already...
This is aggravating because every post about the T410 gets cut off with nonsense like this crp...
He used 16gb sticks so remove your comment, or don’t make one and move on if you didn’t have the answer to the question you just made the question more confusing
If you read more carefully next time, you might not become aggravated. What is supported and what works are two different things.
Reason to move on from old hardware is because for companies IT is a business, not a hobby. Spending time on something costs money, so the potential benefit has to outweigh the cost.
