Solved Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?
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@DustinB3403 said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
Install hyper-v as the base, don't install Windows and enable the role.
Then you can add two windows vms using a standard license.
I don't want to go with Hyper-V as base, I was using earlier for other thing, I had issues of connecting to server with Hyper-V Manager on windows 10, it was working and after few days different issues.
I'm not good at PowerShell to overcome the problems.
I'm here as all-in-one IT, got many things to manage, so better I go with GUI and not require to spend time on why I can't connect to Hyper-V base.
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@Obsolesce said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
Hi all,
I'm about have a setup of Windows Server 2019 Standard as a Host and two Windows server 2019 VMs on it by using Hyper-V in it.
Current requirement is to have two Windows servers as Guest, one for DC and second one for File Server.
In future, I may need to add more servers on it, so I thought of Data Center, but it is damn expensive for us.
So it is fine to go with Standard Edition for current requirement and buy one more Standard Edition in future to add two more VMs. Standard allows 2 VMs never means, it will not allow to create a 3rd VM etc.
Obviously, if the 3rd VM is linux, no discussion at all? it is just about license and compliance of Microsoft for Windows server?
Thanks!
Yes, that is correct regarding licensing. If you want to add a 3rd Windows Server VM, you'll need to purchase another Standard Windows Server license. If your 3rd VM is Linux, then no problem, no license purchase required.
Something to note, is that your Windows server HOST can only act as a host. This means you can't, for example, have it act as a Domain Controller server as well as a Hyper-V host. (but your VMs can, obviously, as you mentioned... just not the host)
Thanks for clarification.
I will just use the Host to server Hyper-V role, I will not run any services on Host, but only on two VM's Windows servers.
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This server I'm going to procure is going to host huge sized File Server, due to huge size storage requirement, cost is going very high with SAS drives. Is using SATA hard drives on Server is bad idea? because it SATA can fulfill our requirements of storage size and can match the budget.
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
This server I'm going to procure is going to host huge sized File Server, due to huge size storage requirement, cost is going very high with SAS drives. Is using SATA hard drives on Server is bad idea? because it SATA can fulfill our requirements of storage size and can match the budget.
SATA is fine, especially if it meets your technical requirements or if you use vtiered storage such as https://www.enmotus.com/products
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How number of Physical Processors and number of cores on each processor will impact Windows Server licenses?
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@DustinB3403 said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
Install hyper-v as the base, don't install Windows and enable the role.
Then you can add two windows vms using a standard license.
I don't want to go with Hyper-V as base, I was using earlier for other thing, I had issues of connecting to server with Hyper-V Manager on windows 10, it was working and after few days different issues.
I'm not good at PowerShell to overcome the problems.
I'm here as all-in-one IT, got many things to manage, so better I go with GUI and not require to spend time on why I can't connect to Hyper-V base.
Sadly, I don't fully disagree with this, I wish I I could disagree with you on it - but MS makes managing Hyper-V without an AD such a HUGE PITA.
Really - you should look at other hypervisor options, mainly KVM or XCP-NG.
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
How number of Physical Processors and number of cores on each processor will impact Windows Server licenses?
If you stay at or under 16 cores total and no more than 2x CPUs, it won't at all.
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
How number of Physical Processors and number of cores on each processor will impact Windows Server licenses?
Windows Standard Server is licensed for 16 cores. If you have 18 cores, you suddenly find yourself needing to buy additional 'core' licenses on top of the Standard Server license to be compliant.
Try sticking with just 16 cores if at all possible.
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@Dashrender said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
KVM
With Windows one, I can use Veeam B&R community edition, for smooth management for free. I assume community edition has option for the replication as well upto 10 VMs, it is important for me.
Not sure about backup options on KVM and XCP-NG.
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@Dashrender said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
How number of Physical Processors and number of cores on each processor will impact Windows Server licenses?
Windows Standard Server is licensed for 16 cores. If you have 18 cores, you suddenly find yourself needing to buy additional 'core' licenses on top of the Standard Server license to be compliant.
Try sticking with just 16 cores if at all possible.
CPU count matters too... if you have 4x CPUs @ 4 cores each, you'll have to buy double the licensing as "normal".
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@Obsolesce Thanks for clarification.
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@Dashrender said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
KVM
With Windows one, I can use Veeam B&R community edition, for smooth management for free. I assume community edition has option for the replication as well upto 10 VMs, it is important for me.
Not sure about backup options on KVM and XCP-NG.
XCP-NG you'd use XenOrchestra to manage and do backups of everything with. KVM, just use your standard backup software like you would a standalone server.
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@Dashrender said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
KVM
With Windows one, I can use Veeam B&R community edition, for smooth management for free. I assume community edition has option for the replication as well upto 10 VMs, it is important for me.
Not sure about backup options on KVM and XCP-NG.
I think those all use a client these days inside the VM, so there shouldn't be a difference based on the hypervisor - though I could be wrong.
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@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
This server I'm going to procure is going to host huge sized File Server, due to huge size storage requirement, cost is going very high with SAS drives. Is using SATA hard drives on Server is bad idea? because it SATA can fulfill our requirements of storage size and can match the budget.
SATA or SAS makes no difference at all but there are different classes of hard drives which may or may not be a good choice for your server.
You get the lowest storage costs with 3.5" drives compared to 2.5" drives. You get the highest reliability and the the longest warranty (5 years) with enterprise drives. On enterprise drives SATA and SAS costs the same.
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@Obsolesce said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@Dashrender said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
How number of Physical Processors and number of cores on each processor will impact Windows Server licenses?
Windows Standard Server is licensed for 16 cores. If you have 18 cores, you suddenly find yourself needing to buy additional 'core' licenses on top of the Standard Server license to be compliant.
Try sticking with just 16 cores if at all possible.
CPU count matters too... if you have 4x CPUs @ 4 cores each, you'll have to buy double the licensing as "normal".
Sure, but that's pretty uncommon these days, considering you can get what 64 core CPUs today? or more.
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@Pete-S said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
This server I'm going to procure is going to host huge sized File Server, due to huge size storage requirement, cost is going very high with SAS drives. Is using SATA hard drives on Server is bad idea? because it SATA can fulfill our requirements of storage size and can match the budget.
SATA or SAS makes no difference at all but there are different classes of hard drives which may or may not be a good choice for your server.
You get the lowest storage costs with 3.5" drives compared to 2.5" drives. You get the highest reliability and the the longest warranty (5 years) with enterprise drives. On enterprise drives SATA and SAS costs the same.
Performance is also a factor, SAS can be faster than SATAs.
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@Dashrender said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@Pete-S said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
@openit said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
This server I'm going to procure is going to host huge sized File Server, due to huge size storage requirement, cost is going very high with SAS drives. Is using SATA hard drives on Server is bad idea? because it SATA can fulfill our requirements of storage size and can match the budget.
SATA or SAS makes no difference at all but there are different classes of hard drives which may or may not be a good choice for your server.
You get the lowest storage costs with 3.5" drives compared to 2.5" drives. You get the highest reliability and the the longest warranty (5 years) with enterprise drives. On enterprise drives SATA and SAS costs the same.
Performance is also a factor, SAS can be faster than SATAs.
Yes, in theory 12 Gbps SAS-3 or 6 Gbps SATA-3 make a difference. But with mechanical drives the drive is much slower than the interface so the drive itself becomes the bottleneck. Seagate Exos 16 enterprise drives for instance can sustain a transfer rate of 261 MB/sec. That's roughly 3 Gbps so about half the speed of SATA. That is one of the fastest 3.5" drive available.
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No need for Hyper-V, that's not part of the equation. It's true with Hyper-V, it's true without it.
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@Pete-S said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
SATA or SAS makes no difference at all but there are different classes of hard drives which may or may not be a good choice for your server.
It does. SATA doesn't have the advanced queueing of SAS which can change performance by as much as 20% with the same mechanicals.
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@DustinB3403 said in Window server standard edition on Hyper V- means two Wins VMs ?:
Install hyper-v as the base, don't install Windows and enable the role.
Then you can add two windows vms using a standard license.
Or install something else. KVM, Proxmox, XCP-NG, all options too with the same licensing.
