KVM Desktop Setup Ideas
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@hobbit666 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
Hyper-V could be an option but never liked it
So Virtual Box maybe an option
Okay so Hyper-V is off the table, assuming that is why you're looking at KVM. With that, either you can attempt the Cygwin route to install Virt-Manager (I've never tested this) or go down the Type 2 hypervisor route.
Or (and a more extreme route) you could reload your daily driver to dual boot and have Fedora Workstation with just Virt-Manager. But that also seems like overkill.
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@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
Or (and a more extreme route) you could reload your daily driver to dual boot and have Fedora Workstation with just Virt-Manager. But that also seems like overkill.
Not that Overkill
my plan for my daily driver is to up the SSD and then dual boot.Dual boot as this machine may need to be used as a Windows 10 machine for someone to log in if i'm on holiday, as they will get lost with Linux
Then look at moving away from Windows as my Daily driver.
*** Well at least one day ***
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@hobbit666 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
Or (and a more extreme route) you could reload your daily driver to dual boot and have Fedora Workstation with just Virt-Manager. But that also seems like overkill.
Not that Overkill
my plan for my daily driver is to up the SSD and then dual boot.Dual boot as this machine may need to be used as a Windows 10 machine for someone to log in if i'm on holiday, as they will get lost with Linux
Then look at moving away from Windows as my Daily driver.
Well at least one day
FTFY
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@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@hobbit666 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
OK so i've added the 2nd hard drive to Fedora, formatted and mounted.
I'm now struggling on how to manage the system and VM's.
I'm using Cockpit and it's ok for basic maintenance. But can't get it create the VM on the 2nd drive.I've installed virt-manager but not sure how to "connect" to it from my machine.
Using Virt-Manager you need to create a storage pool.
You can still create the storage pool via Cockpit.
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@black3dynamite said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@hobbit666 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
OK so i've added the 2nd hard drive to Fedora, formatted and mounted.
I'm now struggling on how to manage the system and VM's.
I'm using Cockpit and it's ok for basic maintenance. But can't get it create the VM on the 2nd drive.I've installed virt-manager but not sure how to "connect" to it from my machine.
Using Virt-Manager you need to create a storage pool.
You can still create the storage pool via Cockpit.
I know you can. But it's not nearly as intuitive to do through cockpit.
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@hobbit666 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
I'm using Cockpit and it's ok for basic maintenance. But can't get it create the VM on the 2nd drive.
By default when creating a VM using cockpit, your VMs will be located in the following locations depending on what you select for QEMU/KVM connections.
QEMU/KVM System Connection
/var/lib/libvirt/images/vm.qcow2QEMU/KVM User Connection
~/.local/share/libvirt/images/vm.qcow2Virt-Manager makes it easier to select a different storage pool for your VMs.
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@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But there is in no way the general expectation that a Type 1 hypervisor is and should also be capable of being a daily driver.
This is where you go off the rails. Since this is common and everyone knows that this is a normal expectation, why would you state something that you know can't be true?
People need desktop virtualization all of the time. And in the modern market, there is essentially no reason to ever look at the only good Type 2, VirtualBox, because it is not nearly as good as Hyper-V or KVM. It's not as fast, or not as safe, and certainly not as easy.
The only reason anyone still considers Type 2 is because some people want Windows Home, and there is no Type 1 option.
I can see for Gamers who also need to do some VMs they may not want the Hyper-V overhead and would aim for type 2.... I hae no idea how much overhead Hyper-V actually introduces though.
I thought that at one point, but it is essentially zero. Gaming is fine with it.
So you run games in a guest VM?
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@wrx7m said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But there is in no way the general expectation that a Type 1 hypervisor is and should also be capable of being a daily driver.
This is where you go off the rails. Since this is common and everyone knows that this is a normal expectation, why would you state something that you know can't be true?
People need desktop virtualization all of the time. And in the modern market, there is essentially no reason to ever look at the only good Type 2, VirtualBox, because it is not nearly as good as Hyper-V or KVM. It's not as fast, or not as safe, and certainly not as easy.
The only reason anyone still considers Type 2 is because some people want Windows Home, and there is no Type 1 option.
I can see for Gamers who also need to do some VMs they may not want the Hyper-V overhead and would aim for type 2.... I hae no idea how much overhead Hyper-V actually introduces though.
I thought that at one point, but it is essentially zero. Gaming is fine with it.
So you run games in a guest VM?
With Hyper-V and Windows 10, your Windows 10 installation becomes the management domain for Hyper-V.
So no, it's not a VM.
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@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@wrx7m said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But there is in no way the general expectation that a Type 1 hypervisor is and should also be capable of being a daily driver.
This is where you go off the rails. Since this is common and everyone knows that this is a normal expectation, why would you state something that you know can't be true?
People need desktop virtualization all of the time. And in the modern market, there is essentially no reason to ever look at the only good Type 2, VirtualBox, because it is not nearly as good as Hyper-V or KVM. It's not as fast, or not as safe, and certainly not as easy.
The only reason anyone still considers Type 2 is because some people want Windows Home, and there is no Type 1 option.
I can see for Gamers who also need to do some VMs they may not want the Hyper-V overhead and would aim for type 2.... I hae no idea how much overhead Hyper-V actually introduces though.
I thought that at one point, but it is essentially zero. Gaming is fine with it.
So you run games in a guest VM?
With Hyper-V and Windows 10, your Windows 10 installation becomes the management domain for Hyper-V.
So no, it's not a VM.
Still a VM. Just the prioritized one.
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@wrx7m said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But there is in no way the general expectation that a Type 1 hypervisor is and should also be capable of being a daily driver.
This is where you go off the rails. Since this is common and everyone knows that this is a normal expectation, why would you state something that you know can't be true?
People need desktop virtualization all of the time. And in the modern market, there is essentially no reason to ever look at the only good Type 2, VirtualBox, because it is not nearly as good as Hyper-V or KVM. It's not as fast, or not as safe, and certainly not as easy.
The only reason anyone still considers Type 2 is because some people want Windows Home, and there is no Type 1 option.
I can see for Gamers who also need to do some VMs they may not want the Hyper-V overhead and would aim for type 2.... I hae no idea how much overhead Hyper-V actually introduces though.
I thought that at one point, but it is essentially zero. Gaming is fine with it.
So you run games in a guest VM?
Correct
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@DustinB3403 said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@wrx7m said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@scottalanmiller said in KVM Desktop Setup Ideas:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But there is in no way the general expectation that a Type 1 hypervisor is and should also be capable of being a daily driver.
This is where you go off the rails. Since this is common and everyone knows that this is a normal expectation, why would you state something that you know can't be true?
People need desktop virtualization all of the time. And in the modern market, there is essentially no reason to ever look at the only good Type 2, VirtualBox, because it is not nearly as good as Hyper-V or KVM. It's not as fast, or not as safe, and certainly not as easy.
The only reason anyone still considers Type 2 is because some people want Windows Home, and there is no Type 1 option.
I can see for Gamers who also need to do some VMs they may not want the Hyper-V overhead and would aim for type 2.... I hae no idea how much overhead Hyper-V actually introduces though.
I thought that at one point, but it is essentially zero. Gaming is fine with it.
So you run games in a guest VM?
With Hyper-V and Windows 10, your Windows 10 installation becomes the management domain for Hyper-V.
So no, it's not a VM.
It's a VM.
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So following on from the Other thread.
Looks like i'm heading to the Install KVM, setup a Linux VM and use that to manage the KVM server from that.
