@Dashrender think of this as XOCE to XenServer/XCP-ng but with a desktop instead of a web interface. Literally nothing different and is completely normal.

So following on from the Other thread. Looks like i'm heading to the Install KVM, setup a Linux VM and use that to manage the KVM server from that.

@mroth911 said in Ovirt: Anyone Using ovirt, And Know how to setup 3 node cluster. Which setup portions are you looking for assistance with? What's your starting point? oVirt is only the management piece, not any of the important bits.

Conversely, I over-allocated vCPUs across several VMs (ESXi) when I was new to type 1 hypervisors and ran into performance issues associated with high CPU ready times. After scaling down, performance improved dramatically.

@StorageNinja said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On: @Dashrender said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On: The question is - why is the quality so bad? Isn't the process supposed to catch bad quality? Their process is consider the windows insider group (extreme power users) to be a good enough replacement for proper QE teams, and writing automated build tests. Right, the new process isn't to catch bad things, it's actually to see bad things as "not all that bad." Presumably because a shift from viewing their products as being for business to being for entertainment. Remember when Windows 95 was a key tool for businesses, but by Windows 98 they had made sure to put a "for entertainment purposes only" label on the product to make sure no one confused it with something that was intended for business use? I feel like that's where they are now. At least internally, no one is really thinking of this as a business tool.

@DustinB3403 said in With ESXi Licensing what happens if I let it lapse: Microsoft started pulling Security patches off of their servers after your contract expires but the platform is still supported. Microsoft no longer provides patches for XP Server 2003 unless you pay them a lot of extra money. It's basically a license with security updates for a fixed interval that can be extended for a ton of money...

@scottalanmiller said in KVM with Cockpit on Fedora 29 Network Type Options Greyed Out: When building a new VM using Cockpit's web interface to KVM on Fedora 29, the Network Type option leaves most options like Bridge to LAN, Generic ethernet connections, and Direct attachment greyed out. Anyone know why? Did you try with network manager? Any missing package?

@obsolesce said in Fedora 28 KVM Cockpit Doesn't Show All VMs: Everyone is always waiting for someone else to report bugs and issues, that's why they take so long to get fixed. Not as bad with FOSS, but a big reason with MS for example. But I don't know that it is a bug. It's reasonable that it might be, but it's just one possibility.

@wrcombs I do! If you don't want to build it yourself, check out Dan's stuff at https://www.techandme.se/ Specifically: https://shop.hanssonit.se/product/nextcloud-vm-microsoft-hyper-v/ I started with one of his builds, then as I became more familiar and comfortable, I started building them myself on Hyper-V. Now I have a couple on AWS LightSail. I don't use Nextcloud for too much, it's mostly for my pics, notes, and bookmarks. Jason

@scottalanmiller said in Delete All Snapshots on KVM with Virsh: Is this a personal alias to Remove-VMSnapshot perhaps? No I had that first but edited it incorrectly. Missed the VM in front. But ya I thought vmcheckpoint was an alias but it's not. Remove-VMSnapshot is correct. So weird, they renamed it to checkpoint, but never changed the PS commands.

@emad-r said in Nested hypervisors?: also as vendor they dont want the complexity advantages of Virtualization ftfy

Good stuff. Thanks for pointing this up and writing it up.

@jaredbusch said in KVM under fedora workstation - improve performance: I have zero issues using virt manager viewr for my local guest VM for remote, I would use RDP or ScreenConnect. Nothing wrong with it when needed, but it doesn't need to perform well for its role.

@tim_g said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @wirestyle22 said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @tim_g said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @wirestyle22 said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @tim_g said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @wirestyle22 said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @dave247 said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @dashrender said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: @net-runner said in question about Hyper-V resource management?: http://hv-manager.org/. At least you get 5 VMs, but the 5Nines gives you 6.. I'll bring it back around and say that now that I've gotten past the couple of annoying obstacles with Hyper-V and remote management, Hyper-V is freaking awesome. It seems lightning fast. The annoying thing for me is the versioning needed to manage hyper-v. Example: For Hyper-V 2016 you need a windows 10 machine to manage it. No you don't. You can pay for stuff to manage it, but I mean it doesn't automatically allow that Windows 7+ with RSAT. I just did that at my last job and it didn't allow it I used Hyper-V 2016 with Win7 RSAT before I loaded Win10. Hm. I should try it again I guess at home

@penguinwrangler said in 5Nine Free Version: I like 5nine when you are setting up a new environment and you don't have a domain setup yet. You don't have to go through the rigamaroll of setting up the hyper-v server and your machine to talk to each other. You use 5nine and get your Domain setup in a virtual machine and then join the Hyper-v and your machine to it. Yeah, it is definitely good to get you going.

@dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @dustinb3403 said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @scottalanmiller said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @jaredbusch said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: @obsolesce said in Manage KVM through Cockpit: Any open source and free KVM backup software FOSS is not a requirement to me. If there was a robust package I could use to get agentless and CBT and file level restore on KVM, I will buy it, if it is reasonable. There was a thread on the other site about Unitrends having agentless on it sometime this year. Ill have to see if I can find it. But I cannot even install Unitrends on Hyper-V server............. Are we allowed to post links from there? Yes Since when? Since the person who made up that insane rule was removed from the site. Would that insane person be Dave? Who is Dave? Nvm. Oh, Dave from over there? I've never heard him called Dave before. Sorry, I knew it was a joke but couldn't figure out what the joke was.

@jaredbusch said in How to Approach Installing Hyper-V SAMIT Video: @scottalanmiller you really need to think about your still image on these. Also. I broke down and clicked on this one. The lead in music was significantly louder than the audio after the lead in. that is bad. That's been since addressed. Actually both things have. The videos from today (not posted yet) are with a still camera and audio tweaking. My dad does the final edits, and he added the intro music. So hopefully those two things are taken care of in about two videos from now.

@romo now there's a workaround if I've ever seen one...

@nerdydad said in What Type of Hypervisor is Hyper-V? SAMIT Video: Guess what version of Hyper-V I have. The tick box version and not the right kind. Plus, I can't change this because this is the ERP system. I could just smack somebody. You can change it by getting a PC set up with hyper V 2016 migrate to that then format the machine reinstall 2016 on the server hardware in migrate back.

@john-nicholson said in Open Source Hypervisors: do we really have them? do we really need them?: @msff-amman-itofficer said in Open Source Hypervisors: do we really have them? do we really need them?: my take on this: ESXi free is limited, 8 vcpu per VM and that limit can be easily reached limit. It's easily reached if you starve a VM of IOPS or RAM and it's spinning cycles waiting on IO. In reality VERY few things need 8 vCPU. I've seen The ONLY exchange server for 5000 users not need that many resources. Given modern Skylake hardware, and 4Ghz Intel Xeon Cores's if your hitting the 8vCPU limit I'm REALLY curious why your not willing to spend the one time ~$200 per host that is the Essentials bundle to get some more features is a rounding error in your budget (it's like less than a $1 a day per host). Keep in mind it is not per hosts, but ~$600 per three hosts, so for much of the SMB that's either $300 or $600 per host and makes things like future upgrades potentially a problem. And $600 per host is enormous for the SMB market. Absolutely staggering. Given that 90% of the market can't even cost justify a server, let alone a server with that much additional licensing. On a single host, how much value is that $600 getting an SMB versus getting free, unlimited use virtualization with $600 of faster hardware? When we are talking a $3,000 server, an extra $600 is anything but trivial. The "only $200 per host" is really "holy crap, $200 per host with a minimum of three!!" That's not at all a small number, not in the SMB market. And especially not in an SMB market outside of the US.

What questions and answers brought you to use ESXi? Did you purchase ESXi or are you using the free version?

@Tim_G said in How to Download Hyper-V 2016: Yay! Finally something real to link to. That's why I made it, I needed it this morning

KVM with Virtmanager. Centos latest is my preferred KVM host. And Fedora LXDE Spin is my preferred Virt-Manager choice, I use it from inside Windows using Virtualbox. Cause it resembles the old ESXi Philosophy with Vsphere C# client And you can do whatever you want with it, and for free. Especially when you use virt IO drivers for network and disk, you get nearly identical bare metal speeds. But sadly its lacking other tools to allow users to connect and use the VM, you will have to do this from inside the VM like RDP and VNC.

@JaredBusch said in AD on top of something that depends on it: No, JB would say, FFS stop conflating shit. A hypervisor is not a server or desktop OS. LOL same difference

@Dashrender said in What is the Difference Between a Hypervisor and an Operating System: @scottalanmiller said in What is the Difference Between a Hypervisor and an Operating System: @DustinB3403 said in What is the Difference Between a Hypervisor and an Operating System: @black3dynamite said in What is the Difference Between a Hypervisor and an Operating System: What would you call Xbox One system, a hypervisor or OS? http://wccftech.com/xbox-one-architecture-explained-runs-windows-8-virtually-indistinguishable/ If the article is accurate it would have to be a hypervisor. With a dom0 running an anorexic windows 8. Sounds like they use the term RTOS as a code for hypervisor. They say it is an RTOS but then point out that it is not an OS (in that it doesn't run apps) and that it is a hypervisor (in that it hosts Windows 8.) So either their name is wrong, or their description is. Ok, I didnt read the article, I commented based on things i heard from Paul Thurrott. So I'll admit my understanding might have been wrong. As a side note, Xbox one has been upgraded to Windows 10 now.... It's weird that the article claims it's a partition not a VM.... Partition and VM are not competing concepts. Lots of VMs are partitions. One thing (VM vs physical) is about how it runs. Partition vs. something else is just where it is stored. Nothing in saying it is a partition suggests that it is not a VM. Now we only have the article to go on, but the article seems pretty clear that it is a VM. But what it really is, no idea.

@scottalanmiller The 2nd line I "edited" with a s/o!

Brilliant Read, I've used Esxi and Hyper-V, good products, but I do have a inner love for Xencenter..

I've used their product before. It's pretty cool. If you have multiple servers (and are using the paid version), it will handle load balancing between the servers and all for you, automatically... Last time I tested it was with VMware. Edit: Only the paid version does the automatic load balancing, IIRC.

Interesting. No one else has done that yet, so that's a big step.