What flavor of linux to replace windows?
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@flaxking said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
What are the ERP application's dependencies?
.Net requires a Windows licence, but I believe Mono is supposed to be able to replace .Net 4.5 with feature parity
.NET not only doesn't require Windows, it's officially platform agnostic. Mono is basically dead because Microsoft moved .NET to being universally available. Not that Mono was bad, it was just never as good as "real" .NET. But now that both .NET and Visual Studio tools for it are available on Linux and MacOS too, there is no call for Mono really (and it will essentially vanish soon.)
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@Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.
It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.
Completely Agree
OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?
Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.
https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/
In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.
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@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.
It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.
Completely Agree
OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?
Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.
https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/
In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.
Draftsight is not even close to AutoCAD. It might be ok for simple projects, but anything more complex, and you're sol. And that's just 2D. Most shops will use Inventor, Revit, perhaps 3ds Max, variants of AutoCAD (Electrical, Mechanical) and store files in Autodesk Vault. Add CAM to the mix, Mastercam for example, and you're stuck with windows, doesn't matter how much you try to move away from it.
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@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.
It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.
Completely Agree
OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?
Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.
https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/
In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.
IIRC Draftsight is their basic offering for people that don't need to pay for the licensing of Solidworks. It's a decent system but no where near as powerful or feature rich as even Dassault's other offerings.
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@coliver said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.
It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.
Completely Agree
OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?
Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.
https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/
In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.
IIRC Draftsight is their basic offering for people that don't need to pay for the licensing of Solidworks. It's a decent system but no where near as powerful or feature rich as even Dassault's other offerings.
My understanding is that DraftSight is 2D and SolidWorks is 3D.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer-aided_design_editors
Of all the professional packages listed there (and most there are not professional), only NX runs on Linux, and it's being discontinued.
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@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@coliver said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@Pete-S said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@aaronstuder said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
No, I think you are just deluded, or refuse to see reality only because you are paid to push Windows solutions.
It is easily and simply possible to be completely OS agnostic in the modern era for any size of corporation.
Completely Agree
OK, so if it's so easy then how do @Donahue and the people he supports go about doing their jobs when Autocad is what they are using and AutoCAD doesn't run under linux? Find another equivalent app?
Well, you are aware that AutoCAD are industry leaders in their field? There are no equivalents and it's not just the software itself, it's the ecosystem of add-ons and small programs. It's also the fact that subcontractors and consultants have the same software and you need 100% compatibility when exchanging files. It's also the fact that AutoCAD is what people are trained to use and what you can get training and support on.
https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/
In the US AutoCAD is popular enough that people forget that alternatives even exist. But Dassault (yeah, the big aerospace giant) makes a competitor, and yes it runs on Linux.
IIRC Draftsight is their basic offering for people that don't need to pay for the licensing of Solidworks. It's a decent system but no where near as powerful or feature rich as even Dassault's other offerings.
My understanding is that DraftSight is 2D and SolidWorks is 3D.
That's true as well. SolidWorks can do some 2D stuff as well.
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@marcinozga said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer-aided_design_editors
Of all the professional packages listed there (and most there are not professional), only NX runs on Linux, and it's being discontinued.
For sure the entire manufacturing industry is entrenched in Windows.
CATIA is the only one we've ever seen used that doesn't require Windows (IBM AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris). We've worked with probably a thousand manufacturing companies and not a single one uses anything on this list that's compatible with Linux.
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@marcinozga said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_computer-aided_design_editors
Of all the professional packages listed there (and most there are not professional), only NX runs on Linux, and it's being discontinued.
How are you determining which are professional? I'm not a CAD expert, but like the US Army CAD system seems likely to be at least passable.
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@scottalanmiller I work with engineers, and they deal with engineers from GE, UTC, NASA, Rolls Royce, Catepillar, you get the picture. And they exchange files constantly. There are only a handful of CAD systems they use. 2 biggest players are Siemens NX and CATIA. 2nd tier is where Autodesk, Solidoworks, ArchiCAD, Solid Edge and Creo falls into. We've also run into MicroStation, but that's a rarity. The rest are a novelty at best, and most engineers wouldn't touch it with a stick.
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@marcinozga said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@scottalanmiller I work with engineers, and they deal with engineers from GE, UTC, NASA, Rolls Royce, Catepillar, you get the picture. And they exchange files constantly. There are only a handful of CAD systems they use. 2 biggest players are Siemens NX and CATIA. 2nd tier is where Autodesk, Solidoworks, ArchiCAD, Solid Edge and Creo falls into. We've also run into MicroStation, but that's a rarity. The rest are a novelty at best, and most engineers wouldn't touch it with a stick.
CATIA is on Linux
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That must be a new addition. CATIA was available on commercial Unix systems before, but not on Linux. Siemens NX was and still is available for Linux, but it's no longer maintained and all support will discontinue in 2019.
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If you play in the CADCAM world of Autodesk Fusion 360 &/or Solidworks...Windows is your only option.
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wow, thanks for all the replies guys, this was unexpected.
As far as the ERP, I don't know specifically what part of the application makes it dependent on windows, and honestly, I doubt the software company does either. But, I don't see this particular ERP as being a long term solution for us.
For CAD, one thing that was mentioned and is very true, is that we constantly have to share CAD files with customers, and they are all using either Autocad or Solidworks. While those files dont have to be the native files, there are some more agnostic file types, it does make is simpler if we use the same applications as our customers. However, with that being said, I can easily see something like cloud versions being more common place in the next 5 years. We may not be able to replace the legacy way to do it now, but that will eventually change.
As for Draftsight, its terrible. We have it and it will not really even open any drawings we currently make. This is true of most cheap CAD software. We don't even us most of the crazy features of Autocad (or Solidworks), the feature that draftsight is missing has been in autocad for like 20+ years.
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@Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
As far as the ERP, I don't know specifically what part of the application makes it dependent on windows, and honestly, I doubt the software company does either. But, I don't see this particular ERP as being a long term solution for us.
I would guess all of it. It's almost certainly written in 1990s era Windows desktop code.
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@Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
For CAD, one thing that was mentioned and is very true, is that we constantly have to share CAD files with customers, and they are all using either Autocad or Solidworks. While those files dont have to be the native files, there are some more agnostic file types, it does make is simpler if we use the same applications as our customers. However, with that being said, I can easily see something like cloud versions being more common place in the next 5 years. We may not be able to replace the legacy way to do it now, but that will eventually change.
We use TransMagic and it is an absolute beast. Amazing software. We use SolidEdge and have to translate CATIA occasionally and a TON of STEP files. But, again, it's Windows only.
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@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@flaxking said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
What are the ERP application's dependencies?
.Net requires a Windows licence, but I believe Mono is supposed to be able to replace .Net 4.5 with feature parity
.NET not only doesn't require Windows, it's officially platform agnostic. Mono is basically dead because Microsoft moved .NET to being universally available. Not that Mono was bad, it was just never as good as "real" .NET. But now that both .NET and Visual Studio tools for it are available on Linux and MacOS too, there is no call for Mono really (and it will essentially vanish soon.)
https://www.microsoft.com/net/learn/dotnet/hello-world-tutorial
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@JaredBusch said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@flaxking said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
What are the ERP application's dependencies?
.Net requires a Windows licence, but I believe Mono is supposed to be able to replace .Net 4.5 with feature parity
.NET not only doesn't require Windows, it's officially platform agnostic. Mono is basically dead because Microsoft moved .NET to being universally available. Not that Mono was bad, it was just never as good as "real" .NET. But now that both .NET and Visual Studio tools for it are available on Linux and MacOS too, there is no call for Mono really (and it will essentially vanish soon.)
https://www.microsoft.com/net/learn/dotnet/hello-world-tutorial
.Net Core and .Net Full are not the same. You can't try and run a compiled .Net Full app on .Net Core, but you can try to run it on Mono
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@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
As far as the ERP, I don't know specifically what part of the application makes it dependent on windows, and honestly, I doubt the software company does either. But, I don't see this particular ERP as being a long term solution for us.
I would guess all of it. It's almost certainly written in 1990s era Windows desktop code.
If all of it is, then there is a good chance it can run using Wine. Not sure if it would be against the EULA of the runtimes though
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@flaxking said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@scottalanmiller said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
@Donahue said in What flavor of linux to replace windows?:
As far as the ERP, I don't know specifically what part of the application makes it dependent on windows, and honestly, I doubt the software company does either. But, I don't see this particular ERP as being a long term solution for us.
I would guess all of it. It's almost certainly written in 1990s era Windows desktop code.
If all of it is, then there is a good chance it can run using Wine. Not sure if it would be against the EULA of the runtimes though
Would be super unlikely for there to be a EULA requiring Microsoft branded OS libraries. Possible, but crazily unlikely.
