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    • jmooreJ
      jmoore @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller I just read that Arm is risc. That changes everything. Risc is great, I just didnt realize they were the same thing. Researching this further

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @jmoore
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        @jmoore said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

        @scottalanmiller I just read that Arm is risc.

        ARM literally standards for Adanced RISC Machine.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @jmoore
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          @jmoore said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

          That changes everything. Risc is great, I just didnt realize they were the same thing. Researching this further

          Aside from REALLY obscure processors that no one knows about....

          AMD64 (all desktop procs you know today) and IA32 (the 32bit predecessors) are the ONLY CISC chips around.
          IA64 (Itanium) which is dead, for all intents and purposes, was EPIC.

          Beyond those two special cases, all processors on the market for over twenty years are RISC.

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          • scottalanmillerS
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            The last, popular CISC processor that wasn't part of the IA32/AMD64 family was the Motorola M68000 family used by Amiga and pre-UNIX MacOS. It died off in the 1990s.

            The M88000 was its RISC sibling, but never got traction outside of the embedded space.

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              1337
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              What type of businesses are we talking about?
              There are a lot of areas where Windows is the only game in town.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller
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                So the popular RISC processors that we use regularly include...

                ARM (in nearly all phones, tablets, and many netbooks that don't run Windows), Power (IBM's processor family), PowerPC (old Macs), Sparc (Oracle's server processors), MIPS (older servers, Nintendo 64, lots of NAS devices), PA-RISC (HP's forerunner to Itanium), Alpha (DEC's amazing server proc), etc.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @1337
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                  @pete-s said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                  What type of businesses are we talking about?
                  There are a lot of areas where Windows is the only game in town.

                  In the third world, Windows being the only game is pretty rare. There is extremely little use of proprietary apps.

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                  • jmooreJ
                    jmoore @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller lol I see that now

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                    • jmooreJ
                      jmoore @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller haha I've got an assembly book for the m68000

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                      • jmooreJ
                        jmoore @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller I believe we have an old Alpha running some old software for some user

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                        • jmooreJ
                          jmoore @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller So what is your opinion of IBM's Power processor? I meant to look at it a while back because I was looking for an alternative to Intels stuff but I forgot to go back to it

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @jmoore
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                            @jmoore said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                            @scottalanmiller I believe we have an old Alpha running some old software for some user

                            OMG, that is SO old.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @jmoore
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                              @jmoore said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                              @scottalanmiller So what is your opinion of IBM's Power processor? I meant to look at it a while back because I was looking for an alternative to Intels stuff but I forgot to go back to it

                              Oh, it's amazing. But is it worth the price? Power is the current leader in best processor on the market. It and Sparc are really the only games in the super high end category now that Itanium has really just faded away. Oracle has not been doing as much with Sparc as they should have, though.

                              The thing that is limiting about Power is the specialty hardware you need for just about everything involved with it. So while Power is the best processor you can get, you can only get it in IBM servers which I would never consider buying.

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                              • KellyK
                                Kelly @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                @pete-s said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                What type of businesses are we talking about?
                                There are a lot of areas where Windows is the only game in town.

                                In the third world, Windows being the only game is pretty rare. There is extremely little use of proprietary apps.

                                If you remove mobile from the equation Windows is close to the only game in town: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Kelly
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                                  @kelly said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                  @pete-s said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                  What type of businesses are we talking about?
                                  There are a lot of areas where Windows is the only game in town.

                                  In the third world, Windows being the only game is pretty rare. There is extremely little use of proprietary apps.

                                  If you remove mobile from the equation Windows is close to the only game in town: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share.

                                  Not really. It might be primarily what is used, but it has no advantage as no one uses anything proprietary.

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                                  • KellyK
                                    Kelly @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                    @kelly said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                    @pete-s said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                    What type of businesses are we talking about?
                                    There are a lot of areas where Windows is the only game in town.

                                    In the third world, Windows being the only game is pretty rare. There is extremely little use of proprietary apps.

                                    If you remove mobile from the equation Windows is close to the only game in town: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share.

                                    Not really. It might be primarily what is used, but it has no advantage as no one uses anything proprietary.

                                    I'm not following you. Are you saying that the software that is used is not Windows specific?

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Kelly
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                                      @kelly said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                      @kelly said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                      @pete-s said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                      What type of businesses are we talking about?
                                      There are a lot of areas where Windows is the only game in town.

                                      In the third world, Windows being the only game is pretty rare. There is extremely little use of proprietary apps.

                                      If you remove mobile from the equation Windows is close to the only game in town: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share.

                                      Not really. It might be primarily what is used, but it has no advantage as no one uses anything proprietary.

                                      I'm not following you. Are you saying that the software that is used is not Windows specific?

                                      Correct. Mostly they use web browsers, or simple documents. Even if everyone around them uses Windows, they don't need to. This is why Microsoft hates version sprawl. When you have XP, 7, 8 all in use, people are already forced to be non-standard in everything that they do. So common ground is simple things like web and text. In that kind of environment where you can't control your OS, you naturally become OS agnostic.

                                      So even though "Windows" might control the OS space, Windows of a specific version does not. And even a little MacOS would cause big disruption if things weren't agnostic. Since people essentially never get to chose their OS or its version.

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                                      • wirestyle22W
                                        wirestyle22
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                                        Education may be a part of it. You can easily find missionaries/volunteers who can teach the basics of windows to someone who has never used it. I've tried to get people to just play with Linux and they just don't care to learn.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                                          @wirestyle22 said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                          Education may be a part of it. You can easily find missionaries/volunteers who can teach the basics of windows to someone who has never used it. I've tried to get people to just play with Linux and they just don't care to learn.

                                          If the GUIs are as good as some people claim (I'm not one of them) then why would a user care if they are learning a Windows GUI vs a Linux based one?

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                            @wirestyle22 said in Why is the Third World Running Windows?:

                                            Education may be a part of it. You can easily find missionaries/volunteers who can teach the basics of windows to someone who has never used it. I've tried to get people to just play with Linux and they just don't care to learn.

                                            Nothing to learn, you just use it. If people are only willing to teach what isn't good for someone, that's called "an agenda."

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