O365 question
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My first question when presented this is why. You're investing a decent amount of time and resources into maintaining on prem server when the cloud version is free for you (assuming you're a school from your comments). If I were in your situation it would be difficult for me to justify keeping that old server.
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@kelly said in O365 question:
My first question when presented this is why. You're investing a decent amount of time and resources into maintaining on prem server when the cloud version is free for you (assuming you're a school from your comments). If I were in your situation it would be difficult for me to justify keeping that old server.
It is free but we need the PC software for Office as well so either way there is a cost. Right now it doesn't cost me anything for the Exchange 2016 server I run on prem and because we are a sub of an organization the on prem exchange server would need to stay in play because of domain issues.
While the O365 University works for us it is a PITA to get the subscription renewed every 4 years. I was thinking hybrid would work better but might be worth the extra cost as I wouldn't have to spend extra time with the renewal process for 40+ users.
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Why are you paying every 4 years? Why not turn this into an operations expense and renew either monthly or annually? Not sure on education levels but Pro Plus levels and up gets Office 2016 as apart of the licensing.
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@nerdydad said in O365 question:
Why are you paying every 4 years? Why not turn this into an operations expense and renew either monthly or annually? Not sure on education levels but Pro Plus levels and up gets Office 2016 as apart of the licensing.
o365 University is $80/user for 4 years vs anything else that is $60+/year
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I'm a bit confused. O365 University is just a licensing option for the Office applications. It doesn't include Exchange. Office 365 A1 is where you get the licensing for Exchange, and is free. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, or some aspect of the licensing, so let me know what I'm missing.
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@kelly said in O365 question:
I'm a bit confused. O365 University is just a licensing option for the Office applications. It doesn't include Exchange. Office 365 A1 is where you get the licensing for Exchange, and is free. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, or some aspect of the licensing, so let me know what I'm missing.
We have on-Prem Exchange 2016 but all faculty and staff needed Office applications so we purchased O365 University. The issue we are running into is that even though we are a school we are not listed as an EDU so we have to jump through hoops every time in order to renew the subscription.
I was curious if there is the hybrid option so that I can keep the on-Prem Exchange and have the O365 subscription for the 45 faculty and staff machines without going through the BS of O365 University every 4 years.
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@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
I'm a bit confused. O365 University is just a licensing option for the Office applications. It doesn't include Exchange. Office 365 A1 is where you get the licensing for Exchange, and is free. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at, or some aspect of the licensing, so let me know what I'm missing.
We have on-Prem Exchange 2016 but all faculty and staff needed Office applications so we purchased O365 University. The issue we are running into is that even though we are a school we are not listed as an EDU so we have to jump through hoops every time in order to renew the subscription.
I was curious if there is the hybrid option so that I can keep the on-Prem Exchange and have the O365 subscription for the 45 faculty and staff machines without going through the BS of O365 University every 4 years.
I think I'm starting to understand what you're aiming at, and there are ways to do it. You don't have to have your email hosted. Just keep your MX records pointed at your on prem server. The licensing for O365 Edu for office is quite a bit more than O365U at $39/year/user since it includes quite a bit more. You might have the same issues getting approved though if you aren't an accredited institution.
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@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
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@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
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@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
Yeah, accreditation takes forever. Be glad you're not dealing with the Obama era Department of Ed. They were very unfriendly to non public institutions. I don't know what it is like now. Might not be any better.
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@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
Yeah, accreditation takes forever. Be glad you're not dealing with the Obama era Department of Ed. They were very unfriendly to non public institutions. I don't know what it is like now. Might not be any better.
To be fair a lot of the non-Public institutions were/are shit.
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@jaredbusch said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
Yeah, accreditation takes forever. Be glad you're not dealing with the Obama era Department of Ed. They were very unfriendly to non public institutions. I don't know what it is like now. Might not be any better.
To be fair a lot of the non-Public institutions were/are shit.
Yes like all the online tech schools that popped up
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@jaredbusch said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
Yeah, accreditation takes forever. Be glad you're not dealing with the Obama era Department of Ed. They were very unfriendly to non public institutions. I don't know what it is like now. Might not be any better.
To be fair a lot of the non-Public institutions were/are shit.
Oh yeah, there was a ton of reasons why they were doing some of the things they were doing, but every institution was viewed with suspicion regardless of how well things had gone prior. The school I was with had gotten better marks for how we handled everything than the public institutions in the area, and we were put under intense scrutiny.
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@kelly said in O365 question:
@jaredbusch said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
Yeah, accreditation takes forever. Be glad you're not dealing with the Obama era Department of Ed. They were very unfriendly to non public institutions. I don't know what it is like now. Might not be any better.
To be fair a lot of the non-Public institutions were/are shit.
Oh yeah, there was a ton of reasons why they were doing some of the things they were doing, but every institution was viewed with suspicion regardless of how well things had gone prior. The school I was with had gotten better marks for how we handled everything than the public institutions in the area, and we were put under intense scrutiny.
Well in the new-era... large corporations are innocent until caught, then still innocent if wealthy.
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@obsolesce said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@jaredbusch said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
We are a 501c3 (Non-Profit) so it might be just as easy
Thanks for the help!
If you're a non profit you might have better long term luck going that route instead: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1.
We're going through the accreditation process now but I guess that takes A LONG TIME!
Yeah, accreditation takes forever. Be glad you're not dealing with the Obama era Department of Ed. They were very unfriendly to non public institutions. I don't know what it is like now. Might not be any better.
To be fair a lot of the non-Public institutions were/are shit.
Oh yeah, there was a ton of reasons why they were doing some of the things they were doing, but every institution was viewed with suspicion regardless of how well things had gone prior. The school I was with had gotten better marks for how we handled everything than the public institutions in the area, and we were put under intense scrutiny.
Well in the new-era... large corporations are innocent until caught, then still innocent if wealthy.
My comments were not a criticism of the larger policies of the Obama administration. I was simply describing difficulties related to non public colleges in interacting with the Department of Education during that administration.
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@wls-itguy said in O365 question:
@kelly said in O365 question:
My first question when presented this is why. You're investing a decent amount of time and resources into maintaining on prem server when the cloud version is free for you (assuming you're a school from your comments). If I were in your situation it would be difficult for me to justify keeping that old server.
It is free but we need the PC software for Office as well so either way there is a cost. Right now it doesn't cost me anything for the Exchange 2016 server I run on prem and because we are a sub of an organization the on prem exchange server would need to stay in play because of domain issues.
But this doesn't explain why you'd want all of the huge headaches and risk of the hybrid. I see loads of negatives, but no positives mentioned. Free or not, a stick in the eye still sucks.
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I recently completed a migration to Office 365. I needed to dump my Exchange 2010 on-prem server, as the hardware was EOL. The main thing you can't do if you dump the hybrid configuration is use AADConnect to sync your users/groups.
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@wrx7m said in O365 question:
. The main thing you can't do if you dump the hybrid configuration is use AADConnect to sync your users/groups.
You don't need Exchange for that tool. It's federation that keeps you from dumping the on prem.
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@scottalanmiller said in O365 question:
@wrx7m said in O365 question:
. The main thing you can't do if you dump the hybrid configuration is use AADConnect to sync your users/groups.
You don't need Exchange for that tool. It's federation that keeps you from dumping the on prem.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/decommission-on-premises-exchange
I never had federation, and I had to dump AADConnect when decommissioning on-prem Exchange. The reason is because there is no way to manage certain attributes of the cloud mailboxes. The options are literally grayed out on those that are synced from on-prem.
