Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?
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I usually use Debian for servers and it's been a long time since I tried anything else.
When using community supported distros for servers it seems like many favor CentOS and Fedora and I thinking maybe I'm missing out.
For those that are familiar with both, what advantage do CentOS or Fedora have over Debian?
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I don't use Debian for anything, ever, so I cant really compare. But there is a very recent thread on why most of us choose Fedora. Most of that here will just be a repeat. Hopefully someone can link it quick, I really can't right now.
Technically, you could run a web server on any damn OS and I'm sure it will work... But go take a look at that thread, tons of useful comments there!
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My past experience with Debian was never good. Crap breaks and it was always such a pain and time sink to fix. Not so with Fedora.
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@pete-s
I started with Debian at first, loved the philosophy but then I grown up and loved getting paid, you know MOLA, chedder, cheese, speak up cant hear you money in the way.
And I noticed debian hates it when you make money, it is like everything must be open and free and when you talk to enterprises you want more than that plus the philosophy is childish they blocked firefox for so many years just cause of crap reasons and fork it, the goal of debian and one OS for all is very ambitions and beautiful but it also makes you want to get depressed and suicide (RIP IAN) , it is good and stable and getting more frequent updates but at the time Centos always got faster updates + the package of Centos and RHEL and Fedora and less notably Oracle enterpise OS, beats the crap out of Debian + ubuntu.
I still love one thing about debian that you can easily remaster it.
I think my mindset is to stick with Centos and if for any reason Centos dies or sold out I will move to debian, but at this time and era I can utilize Centos and benefit from the good stuff of RHEL/Fedora which takes time but we eventually get it, and it plays nice(r) with Centos, I mean it should = KVM/cockpit, however this is not rule of thumb but more like expected.
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@obsolesce said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
I don't use Debian for anything, ever, so I cant really compare. But there is a very recent thread on why most of us choose Fedora. Most of that here will just be a repeat. Hopefully someone can link it quick, I really can't right now.
Technically, you could run a web server on any damn OS and I'm sure it will work... But go take a look at that thread, tons of useful comments there!
https://mangolassi.it/topic/17393/centos-7-why-did-almost-everyone-switch-to-fedora
I posted the topic a few days ago.
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@wrx7m said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
@obsolesce said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
I don't use Debian for anything, ever, so I cant really compare. But there is a very recent thread on why most of us choose Fedora. Most of that here will just be a repeat. Hopefully someone can link it quick, I really can't right now.
Technically, you could run a web server on any damn OS and I'm sure it will work... But go take a look at that thread, tons of useful comments there!
https://mangolassi.it/topic/17393/centos-7-why-did-almost-everyone-switch-to-fedora
I posted the topic a few days ago.
My turn tomorrow, when will some one post about FreeBSD that thing is truly amazing, it is mind boggling why we dont use it more instead of Centos/Fedora...etc, they say once you go FreeBSD you dont come back,
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Dont know my servers/pcs are all ubuntu or debian.
Never used centos or fedora with 1 exception: couple of years ago I deployed kvm as hypervisor. I did with centos. -
I mentioned in another thread recently that I will randomly distro hop among the major linux distros, just to keep my skillset sharp on each.
I am most comfortable on Debian. I have recently switched back to it to run some internal stuff at the house and I'm liking it again.
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I don't really see any one distribution as being intrinsically better. I've used both, but done much more work with the RedHat based distributions rather than the Debian based ones. So I prefer CentOS or Fedora, but will happily use any.
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@travisdh1 said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
I don't really see any one distribution as being intrinsically better. I've used both, but done much more work with the RedHat based distributions rather than the Debian based ones. So I prefer CentOS or Fedora, but will happily use any.
I had a bad experience with Red Hat when I was using in school, no thanks to bad instructor, but now I'm all in using CentOS and Fedora.
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Basically, I hate Ubuntu because I would try to run stuff and it always had issues. This was years ago. I switched to the RHEL ecosystem of CentOS and Fedora.
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I have been using Debian for a long time since version 3.0 and ever since I have been able to work with it without any issue and I have been using Ubuntu since version 6.04 so I have a long history of it. I started using CentOS based on ML and the good ways of doing things. But I am on majority of my Linux time on Debian distributions.
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@dbeato said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
I have been using Debian for a long time since version 3.0 and ever since I have been able to work with it without any issue and I have been using Ubuntu since version 6.04 so I have a long history of it. I started using CentOS based on ML and the good ways of doing things. But I am on majority of my Linux time on Debian distributions.
Back before the days of always online repositories, Debian was great because you were able to have all the software on like 4 DVDs or LOTS of CDs.
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@travisdh1 said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
@dbeato said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
I have been using Debian for a long time since version 3.0 and ever since I have been able to work with it without any issue and I have been using Ubuntu since version 6.04 so I have a long history of it. I started using CentOS based on ML and the good ways of doing things. But I am on majority of my Linux time on Debian distributions.
Back before the days of always online repositories, Debian was great because you were able to have all the software on like 4 DVDs or LOTS of CDs.
Yeah, don't remind me of Mandrivea DVDS!! Nightmares
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@pete-s said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
For those that are familiar with both, what advantage do CentOS or Fedora have over Debian?
I prefer the packaging format, like the ecosystem, find the products more stable and the company behind them more "production minded" and the community that uses them (and therefore the assumptions about use cases and the context of most advice) to be much more production minded.
Debian (and Ubuntu) are well made and perfectly fine. But I find the RH world more business focused and far better supported.
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@emad-r said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
@wrx7m said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
@obsolesce said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
I don't use Debian for anything, ever, so I cant really compare. But there is a very recent thread on why most of us choose Fedora. Most of that here will just be a repeat. Hopefully someone can link it quick, I really can't right now.
Technically, you could run a web server on any damn OS and I'm sure it will work... But go take a look at that thread, tons of useful comments there!
https://mangolassi.it/topic/17393/centos-7-why-did-almost-everyone-switch-to-fedora
I posted the topic a few days ago.
My turn tomorrow, when will some one post about FreeBSD that thing is truly amazing, it is mind boggling why we dont use it more instead of Centos/Fedora...etc, they say once you go FreeBSD you dont come back,
FreeBSD is still heavily used. Lack of general knowledge and support options make it a bit more of a pain than many Linux options. Simple things, like Salt, can be difficult to get working reliably there.
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Looking at CentOS / RHEL they seem they use a very old kernel 3.10, even in the latest release, which itself was released recently.
How does that work with hardware support? Do Red Hat backport all new hardware support from the newer kernels to 3.10? If you for instance are setting up a new server with AMD Epyc CPUs, you'll need support for this in the kernel.
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@pete-s said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
Looking at CentOS / RHEL they seem they use a very old kernel 3.10, even in the latest release, which itself was released recently.
Right, those are LTS releases and not for normal consumption. Their purpose is to be old, that's the sole function of using CentOS instead of Fedora. If you want things kept updated, you'd only look at Fedora.
http://www.smbitjournal.com/2017/04/rethinking-long-term-support-releases/
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@pete-s said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
How does that work with hardware support? Do Red Hat backport all new hardware support from the newer kernels to 3.10? If you for instance are setting up a new server with AMD Epyc CPUs, you'll need support for this in the kernel.
Yes, for the most part. That's why the CentOS 7.4 and CentOS 7.5 "minor releases" are such a big deal.
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@pete-s said in Advantages of CentOS or Fedora over Debian?:
Looking at CentOS / RHEL they seem they use a very old kernel 3.10, even in the latest release, which itself was released recently.
How does that work with hardware support? Do Red Hat backport all new hardware support from the newer kernels to 3.10? If you for instance are setting up a new server with AMD Epyc CPUs, you'll need support for this in the kernel.
There point releases normally include new hardware support.
