Buying new business desktops - what do you like?
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@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
Lenovo V520 Tower without OS
Are you trolling?
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Thinkmate makes some nice hardware.
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White box is a decent option.
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@dashrender said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
Lenovo V520 Tower without OS
Are you trolling?
I have to do Lenovo in the same region that he's in, they are the major supplier there.
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Another vote for optiplex micro, very nice built and quiet machines.
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@nerdydad said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
We have Lenovo laptops. I don't recommend Lenovo laptops. We're getting rid of all of the Lenovo laptops.
What series ? cause not all Lenovo hardware is bad, the T series we have are very good and durable.
We still have many operational T420 (operational since 2012/2013) that are the legacy line of IBM thinkpads.
The new stuff are meh.
And i dont understand the hate really for Lenovo, sure they did spyware crap (everybody does this, some get caught some dont, latest one is from HP keylogging) but you just have to do fresh-install, and I think this spyware crap what allows lenovo to release good spec hardware for cheap in my region, I recall having Lenovo smartphone A6000, and it was filled with crapware but very cheap. Anyway I have never came across scenario where a clean fresh OS didnt behave like clean fresh OS. I have heard with spyware that gets attached in the BIOS flash image but never encountered this yet.
However that said I wish I have OEM that provides their drivers as .inf files, or for them to be as light and least intrusive as possible, especially with laptops, now you have driver and software GUI + service for monitoring the monitor, and for FN keys, and for battery optimization, and for HDD software shock monitoring, if you ask me there all gimmicks, or they need to be better grouped.
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@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
And i dont understand the hate really for Lenovo, sure they did spyware crap (everybody does this, some get caught some dont, latest one is from HP keylogging) but you just have to do fresh-install, and I think this spyware crap what allows lenovo to release good spec hardware for cheap in my region, I recall having Lenovo smartphone A6000, and it was filled with crapware but very cheap. Anyway I have never came across scenario where a clean fresh OS didnt behave like clean fresh OS. I have heard with spyware that gets attached in the BIOS flash image but never encountered this yet.
However that said I wish I have OEM that provides their drivers as .inf files, or for them to be as light and least intrusive as possible, especially with laptops, now you have driver and software GUI + service for monitoring the monitor, and for FN keys, and for battery optimization, and for HDD software shock monitoring, if you ask me there all gimmicks, or they need to be better grouped.The (spy|crap|bloat)ware (or a downloader for it) was stored in UEFI. You can reinstall as much as you want in this case.
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@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
Anyway I have never came across scenario where a clean fresh OS didn't behave like clean fresh OS. I have heard with spyware that gets attached in the BIOS flash image but never encountered this yet.
Then you haven't been paying attention to the news. The spyware/bloatware that was installed was done so at the driver level and put a shim between the network device and operating system. Even on a fresh-os install the driver would have been a problem.
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@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
And i dont understand the hate really for Lenovo, sure they did spyware crap (everybody does this, some get caught some dont, latest one is from HP keylogging) but you just have to do fresh-install.....
This is totally wrong and shows why Lenovo is so bad, they've produced such a load of marketing to convince people that their crimes were totally different than they were. There is NO ONE ever that has done things as bad as Lenovo and NO IT person ever has the power to work around the things that Lenovo did. This is just hubris. Sometimes Lenovo cannot be avoided and sometimes spying and stealing data is something you have to accept to have working computers...
But you should never claim that Lenovo is ever okay, ever good gear, ever safe, or ever comparable to the evils of any other company. There is nothing in the history of IT that comes close to what Lenovo has been caught, repeatedly, doing. Nothing.
If you don't instantly understand why everyone hates Lenovo, it means that you aren't aware of what they do. It's that simple. It means you've not looked into them enough. Now, if you understand clearly why no one will ever respect or trust Lenovo and still use them because you have no other choice, that's fine. But right now, you are using the most dangerous vendor in the history of the industry, literally allowing one of the most malicious hacking entities in the world, into your shop voluntarily without having looked into why they are this way and how they may affect you.
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@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
Anyway I have never came across scenario where a clean fresh OS didnt behave like clean fresh OS. I have heard with spyware that gets attached in the BIOS flash image but never encountered this yet.
Not encountered it is not the same as didn't notice. You may very possibly have this all over the place and simply not know it. That's why this is such a big deal. You can never be sure once you know the enemy has total control of your systems. Using Lenovo gear means that you know, from day one, that you are in a compromised state. Just because you haven't figured out where you are compromised doesn't affect that. The average company doesn't know when it has been compromised, only sloppy hackers get caught like Kevin Mitnick. The good ones, we never know about.
Lenovo specifically can't be fixed with clean OS installs, that's why it is so bad. And Lenovo specifically doesn't behave like a fresh Windows install, and guess what site it was that this was discovered with! The first known discovery of Lenovo's first really public attack on customers was because MangoLassi could not be loaded on Lenovo laptops and because it was clearly breaking the site in a way that had to be at the network level, which led us to the network shim and the discovery of the attack and the discovery that clean installs didn't fix the problem. No matter how many times you installed Windows, the only source of drives for the gear had the shim in them.
If you moved to Linux, you could work around it, but not if you stayed on Windows unless you also replaced the network hardware. And at best, it just fixed one known compromise.
The think that any of us could possibly know or catch everything that Lenovo is throwing at us is just unreasonable. When they get sloppy we catch them, but they have practically unlimited resource and they own the gear before we do, there is no way for us to ever know we are safe when we use Lenovo gear, but there is a way to know that we are at risk - just look for the Lenovo badge on your gear, it's a Chinese warning label.
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I really hope that Googles Linux replacement for UEFI will change the rules in this perverted game. Free and public reviewed firmware will hopefully stop this and similar insanities some day.
No more "sorry, we can't give you updates because your 3yr old hardware is out if support" or "oh, you want iSCSI boot for whatever reason? Sure, just pay for it!".
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@thwr said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
I really hope that Googles Linux replacement for UEFI will change the rules in this perverted game. Free and public reviewed firmware will hopefully stop this and similar insanities some day.
No more "sorry, we can't give you updates because your 3yr old hardware is out if support" or "oh, you want iSCSI boot for whatever reason? Sure, just pay for it!".
Yes, everything, including firmware code, needs to be open.
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@scottalanmiller said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
White box is a decent option.
More details please
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@scottalanmiller said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@dashrender said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
Lenovo V520 Tower without OS
Are you trolling?
I have to do Lenovo in the same region that he's in, they are the major supplier there.
That is not a reason to ever recommend it.
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@thwr said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
I really hope that Googles Linux replacement for UEFI will change the rules in this perverted game. Free and public reviewed firmware will hopefully stop this and similar insanities some day.
No more "sorry, we can't give you updates because your 3yr old hardware is out if support" or "oh, you want iSCSI boot for whatever reason? Sure, just pay for it!".
Only works if the manufacturers use it.
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@dashrender said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@thwr said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
I really hope that Googles Linux replacement for UEFI will change the rules in this perverted game. Free and public reviewed firmware will hopefully stop this and similar insanities some day.
No more "sorry, we can't give you updates because your 3yr old hardware is out if support" or "oh, you want iSCSI boot for whatever reason? Sure, just pay for it!".
Only works if the manufacturers use it.
No, the idea is to build a generic firmware.
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@thwr said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@dashrender said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@thwr said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
I really hope that Googles Linux replacement for UEFI will change the rules in this perverted game. Free and public reviewed firmware will hopefully stop this and similar insanities some day.
No more "sorry, we can't give you updates because your 3yr old hardware is out if support" or "oh, you want iSCSI boot for whatever reason? Sure, just pay for it!".
Only works if the manufacturers use it.
No, the idea is to build a generic firmware.
Right, but manufacturers still might not use it. There has been generic firmware for decades and they've chosen Intel's BIOS and now UEFI instead anyway.
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@emad-r said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@nerdydad said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
We have Lenovo laptops. I don't recommend Lenovo laptops. We're getting rid of all of the Lenovo laptops.
What series ? cause not all Lenovo hardware is bad, the T series we have are very good and durable.
We still have many operational T420 (operational since 2012/2013) that are the legacy line of IBM thinkpads.
The new stuff are meh.
And i dont understand the hate really for Lenovo, sure they did spyware crap (everybody does this, some get caught some dont, latest one is from HP keylogging) but you just have to do fresh-install, and I think this spyware crap what allows lenovo to release good spec hardware for cheap in my region, I recall having Lenovo smartphone A6000, and it was filled with crapware but very cheap. Anyway I have never came across scenario where a clean fresh OS didnt behave like clean fresh OS. I have heard with spyware that gets attached in the BIOS flash image but never encountered this yet.
However that said I wish I have OEM that provides their drivers as .inf files, or for them to be as light and least intrusive as possible, especially with laptops, now you have driver and software GUI + service for monitoring the monitor, and for FN keys, and for battery optimization, and for HDD software shock monitoring, if you ask me there all gimmicks, or they need to be better grouped.
All Lenovo, and companies owned by them are known to be breached at the BIOS level. No amount of reinstalling, reimagine, or anything else can possibly ever make them safe to use.
Even my Motorola phone just does ghost clicks on me, which just means even right after Lenovo's purchase of Motorola they had started loading malware on them right away.
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@penguinwrangler said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
@thwr said in Buying new business desktops - what do you like?:
Dell, HP, Fujitsu, whatever you prefer.
Have you ever bought Fujitsu? They always seem good by the specs and price.
Although I have had customers with Fujitsu Servers and Laptops, their support is horrible. Very slow and servers had low specs and barely a RAID Controller.
