DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
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@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
NOT the same thing at all.
Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).
That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!
Maybe in your house!
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
But easy access isn't stealing.
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Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
And that is not illegal.
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.
Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.
Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!
Irrelevant.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.
Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!
Irrelevant.
Not at all irrelevant. You're stating its OK to do one thing, but not the other and the reversing the statement in the following post.
FFS
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.
Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.
The offset to this is that the box maker is selling a product, and has almost certainly shown the intention of enabling people to steal.
That is the issue. Any conflation of that fact is just putting rose colored glasses on.
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.
Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.
Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.
That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.
Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.
Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.
That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.
Enabling a person to perform a crime, means intent and makes that person an accomplice.
Nothing else you state can refute that. Just because someone may buy this box and never steal content doesn't mean that the 100's or 1000's of others who do steal content are right for doing what they are easily made capable of.
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Promoting an act of crime (inciting violence etc) is as much a crime as performing the act yourself.
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? YesCan DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? YesChange out road with car. Same result.
It's the person committing the crime, not the object.
Let's take your example 1 step further.
Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? YesCan a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? YesIf you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.
yet guns aren't illegal.
But selling stolen weapons is illegal!
Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.
You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.
No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.
Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.
No, that would be illegal.
That is what this box offers.
So where is your argument here?
Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.
Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.
Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.
That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.
Enabling a person to perform a crime, means intent and makes that person an accomplice.
Nothing else you state can refute that. Just because someone may buy this box and never steal content doesn't mean that the 100's or 1000's of others who do steal content are right for doing what they are easily made capable of.
You're mixing laws together and coming up with your own opinions.
There is no law in place making this box illegal.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.
Close, but I'm trying to think of something a little better... hmm..
A chainsaw makes access to Dustin's house easier... chainsaw the door down.. I think we should make chainsaws illegal.
