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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403 @Obsolesce
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      @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      @brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

      Wondering why KVM is the flavor of the month but not for production because of backup options....

      Besides the lack of backup options like incremental VM backups. Open source, free, flexible, etc...

      If you want great, solid, do-it-with-your-eyes-closed enterprise level backup, you need to pay money, no matter your hypervisor. It's as simple as that.

      Cough cough... xen orchestra cough cough!

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      • black3dynamiteB
        black3dynamite @Obsolesce
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        @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        Wondering why KVM is the flavor of the month but not for production because of backup options....

        Besides the lack of backup options like incremental VM backups. Open source, free, flexible, etc...

        If you want great, solid, do-it-with-your-eyes-closed enterprise level backup, you need to pay money, no matter your hypervisor. It's as simple as that.

        I have no problem with paying for backups.

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @DustinB3403
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          @dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          Wondering why KVM is the flavor of the month but not for production because of backup options....

          Besides the lack of backup options like incremental VM backups. Open source, free, flexible, etc...

          If you want great, solid, do-it-with-your-eyes-closed enterprise level backup, you need to pay money, no matter your hypervisor. It's as simple as that.

          Cough cough... xen orchestra cough cough!

          Well if Xen is your forté, and you can justify not using a better option, go for it.

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          • black3dynamiteB
            black3dynamite @travisdh1
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            @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            Wondering why KVM is the flavor of the month but not for production because of backup options....

            Besides the lack of backup options like incremental VM backups. Open source, free, flexible, etc...

            That's all available already, just normal file level backups. You just have to do some scripting to create a snapshot before doing the backup and remove it after.

            When creating a snapshot, would it be best to pause the VM first and then create snapshots and then resume?

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @black3dynamite
              last edited by

              @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @brandon220 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              Wondering why KVM is the flavor of the month but not for production because of backup options....

              Besides the lack of backup options like incremental VM backups. Open source, free, flexible, etc...

              That's all available already, just normal file level backups. You just have to do some scripting to create a snapshot before doing the backup and remove it after.

              When creating a snapshot, would it be best to pause the VM first and then create snapshots and then resume?

              That is the recommended approach, and what all snapshot mechanisms do.

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              • brandon220B
                brandon220
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                I've done a ton of exports in Hyper-V but no snapshots.

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                • wirestyle22W
                  wirestyle22 @brandon220
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                  @brandon220 Opposite of me

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce
                    last edited by Obsolesce

                    My favourite backup solution is SCDPM (for the Hyper-V world), but it's so expensive, making most other paid options way better.

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                    • brandon220B
                      brandon220 @wirestyle22
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                      @wirestyle22 I always do exports to external drives as another disaster recovery copy and then take to another location.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @brandon220
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                        @brandon220 I've done one P2V migration

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                        • thwrT
                          thwr @Obsolesce
                          last edited by

                          @tim_g said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          My favourite backup solution is SCDPM (for the Hyper-V world), but it's so expensive, making most other paid options way better.

                          And it's anything but reliable. Ok, that's not exactly true, but it's definitely nothing you want to run as a small shop. I still remember tons of cryptic errors in 2012 and 2012r2

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @thwr
                            last edited by Obsolesce

                            @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            And it's anything but reliable.

                            SCDPM 2016 is extremely reliable, more so than anything I've ever used... ever, as far as paid backup solutions go. But yeah, I won't use it in typical SMB because there are other options that are cheaper that are good too.

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce
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                              But it's great if you have a ton of Hyper-V hosts, ton of data, and need lots of different backup configurations and schedules along with the whole tape ordeal.

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                              • black3dynamiteB
                                black3dynamite @Obsolesce
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                                @tim_g

                                How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

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                                • ObsolesceO
                                  Obsolesce @black3dynamite
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                                  @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @tim_g

                                  How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

                                  Not long.

                                  It's just installing:

                                  • Set up server hardware and DAS
                                  • Install Windows Server 2016 Standard CORE + Hyper-V Role
                                    ** You need features Hyper-V Server does not offer for this, so rare use-case exception here **
                                  • Set up MS SQL (VM1) (SCDPM includes license for this)
                                  • Set up SCDPM (VM2)

                                  Pre-planning it all makes it go fast.... above was just quick from distant memory, but it's the basics at a high level.

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                                  • thwrT
                                    thwr @black3dynamite
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                                    @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @tim_g

                                    How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

                                    you begin by installing a full blown SQL Server as a backend database. + (At least in in 2012R2) you need to take care of a backup of DPM itself for disaster recovery. As far as I remember, you'll need a working domain to restore data. But it's years ago, things my have changed.

                                    It's a good product, don't get me wrong. But it's major league.

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                                    • ObsolesceO
                                      Obsolesce @thwr
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                                      @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @black3dynamite said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @tim_g

                                      How long did it take you to setup SCDPM? That's a lot of work to install a backup system.

                                      you begin by installing a full blown SQL Server as a backend database. + (At least in in 2012R2) you need to take care of a backup of DPM itself for disaster recovery. As far as I remember, you'll need a working domain to restore data. But it's years ago, things my have changed.

                                      It's a good product, don't get me wrong. But it's major league.

                                      Yeah it's better now. Really, you'd use your existing MS SQL server, and replicate it to your SCDPM server host. This way, you always have a restorable replica so you can always restore.... as well as replicate your SCDPM VM (not the storage repository)

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                                      • ObsolesceO
                                        Obsolesce
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                                        Then you could replicate your DAS to another location/building/site, as well as archive it to tape periodically.

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                                        • thwrT
                                          thwr
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                                          Looks like they improved a few things. But I'll go for Veeam this time, even with ultra-cheap MS EDU licensing.

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                                          • ObsolesceO
                                            Obsolesce @thwr
                                            last edited by Obsolesce

                                            @thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            Looks like they improved a few things. But I'll go for Veeam this time, even with ultra-cheap MS EDU licensing.

                                            In one case, Veeam cost twice as much as SCDPM. So it's a toss up. Unitrends came in at the lowest.

                                            Veeam can be super expensive. But people do it often without weighing other options first.

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