Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@nadnerb said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Over here, in upside down land, these are par for the course. The job hunting landscape is always peppered with poorly written IT job ads.
Same here. Point is that poorly written is generally a tip off that it is fake. Two things are very common... poorly written jobs, and fake jobs. The one is an indicator of the other. People looking to hire would rarely invest so much time and money and not bother writing a job spec that would make anyone think that they were serious or competent. Let alone doing it and passing it through a major agency.
Again, Scottverse.
Do you actually think the SMB actually invests money in even knowing what to hire? Let alone how to craft an ad to find the right type of hire?
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@tim_g said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I would now only apply directly on the company's website, not through a recruiting service. Services like Monster.com seem fine because it's usually the actual company posting on there...
I see the same thing, often these are fake FROM the original company or in conjunction with them. Agencies add an extra reason to worry about fakes, but original companies do it most of the time without an agency adding to it.
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@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you actually think the SMB actually invests money in even knowing what to hire? Let alone how to craft an ad to find the right type of hire?
Yes, they invest a very tiny amount in fake job postings to get loads and loads of information about what's out there. The SMB absolutely does this. Talk to people that do regular SMB interviewing, it's fake to an incredible degree. Fake doesn't ONLY mean that the job does not exist at all, but that it is not reasonably what it pretends to be. Although most of the time, it doesn't actually exist.
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Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
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@tim_g said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I would now only apply directly on the company's website, not through a recruiting service. Services like Monster.com seem fine because it's usually the actual company posting on there...
I don't like seeing job ads by recruiting companies/Agencies, they seem awfully suspicious. Especially how they never mention the actual company that they are advertising for.
The tactic seems to be a lot like:
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As someone who has worked with a similar sized company that does similar work, the IT need was like five hours a week. Sure, this one might be awful and need 20. But we are talking about 80-100 with these postings.
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@nadnerb said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I don't like seeing job ads by recruiting companies/Agencies, they seem awfully suspicious. Especially how they never mention the actual company that they are advertising for.
That's because if they do that, they don't get paid. An agency doesn't get paid when you go around them and get hired directly.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@nadnerb said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
I don't like seeing job ads by recruiting companies/Agencies, they seem awfully suspicious. Especially how they never mention the actual company that they are advertising for.
That's because if they do that, they don't get paid. An agency doesn't get paid when you go around them and get hired directly.
Another good reason to rule them out.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Scottverse is another term for reality, rather than hopeful delusion.
For your perception of reality.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
Having recently watched a SMB try to hire someone and get it all wrong, yeah, I can totally see this getting posted.
Just because it is not meeting your definitions and expectations, does not make it fake.
Could it be certainly.
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@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
Having recently watched a SMB try to hire someone and get it all wrong, yeah, I can totally see this getting posted.
Just because it is not meeting your definitions and expectations, does not make it fake.
Could it be certainly.
That it is fake makes it fake. There are two reasonable options here... that the posting is not intended to hire anyone (or only one of two) is one and that they aren't hiring what they say is the other. Both are fake, neither is "my opinion" and between the two they are by far the most likely choice.
Only in Jaredverse would there be a 12 person company legitimately trying to hire two Windows NT system admins for a web design business with HXTML experience.
Do insane, incompetent, but well meaning SMBs exist? Of course. Are they the norm? Heck no.
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In this case, my guess as to the most likely of all possible scenarios is that they posted....
Hiring Two System Admins for Windows NT, Full and Senior Levels
and are actually trying to hire...
One Junior Desktop Tech for Windows 7 and Mac
That would be my guess. That the titles and responsibilities and technologies are fake, and the senior posting is fake end to end.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
Having recently watched a SMB try to hire someone and get it all wrong, yeah, I can totally see this getting posted.
Just because it is not meeting your definitions and expectations, does not make it fake.
Could it be certainly.
That it is fake makes it fake. There are two reasonable options here... that the posting is not intended to hire anyone (or only one of two) is one and that they aren't hiring what they say is the other. Both are fake, neither is "my opinion" and between the two they are by far the most likely choice.
Only in Jaredverse would there be a 12 person company legitimately trying to hire two Windows NT system admins for a web design business with HXTML experience.
Do insane, incompetent, but well meaning SMBs exist? Of course. Are they the norm? Heck no.
IT Guy: Boss, I quit. This is my two week notice.
Boss: Can you stay, blah blah.
IT Guy: No, this is too much work for not enough money.
Boss: Ok.
<ring>
CyberCoders Script Monkey: How can we help you?
Boss: I need someone to run our computers.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Asks inane questions the boss has no idea about.
Boss: Answers inane questions randomly.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Anything else?
Boss: Make two listings so we can see how cheap we can go with this.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Done. Thanks. -
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
In this case, my guess as to the most likely of all possible scenarios is that they posted....
Hiring Two System Admins for Windows NT, Full and Senior Levels
and are actually trying to hire...
One Junior Desktop Tech for Windows 7 and Mac
That would be my guess. That the titles and responsibilities and technologies are fake, and the senior posting is fake end to end.
Of course that is all they need. But they have no idea what they need.
See above. -
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
Having recently watched a SMB try to hire someone and get it all wrong, yeah, I can totally see this getting posted.
Just because it is not meeting your definitions and expectations, does not make it fake.
Could it be certainly.
That it is fake makes it fake. There are two reasonable options here... that the posting is not intended to hire anyone (or only one of two) is one and that they aren't hiring what they say is the other. Both are fake, neither is "my opinion" and between the two they are by far the most likely choice.
Only in Jaredverse would there be a 12 person company legitimately trying to hire two Windows NT system admins for a web design business with HXTML experience.
Do insane, incompetent, but well meaning SMBs exist? Of course. Are they the norm? Heck no.
IT Guy: Boss, I quit. This is my two week notice.
Boss: Can you stay, blah blah.
IT Guy: No, this is too much work for not enough money.
Boss: Ok.
<ring>
CyberCoders Script Monkey: How can we help you?
Boss: I need someone to run our computers.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Asks inane questions the boss has no idea about.
Boss: Answers inane questions randomly.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Anything else?
Boss: Make two listings so we can see how cheap we can go with this.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Done. Thanks.Yup, exactly. Making fake job postings to catfish and see how cheap it could be, if they were to decide to try hiring.
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@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
In this case, my guess as to the most likely of all possible scenarios is that they posted....
Hiring Two System Admins for Windows NT, Full and Senior Levels
and are actually trying to hire...
One Junior Desktop Tech for Windows 7 and Mac
That would be my guess. That the titles and responsibilities and technologies are fake, and the senior posting is fake end to end.
Of course that is all they need. But they have no idea what they need.
See above.Right, making the listings fake. Either entirely, or partially. Putting up a fake job listing on accident or on purpose does alter its fakeness.
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@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
Having recently watched a SMB try to hire someone and get it all wrong, yeah, I can totally see this getting posted.
Just because it is not meeting your definitions and expectations, does not make it fake.
Could it be certainly.
That it is fake makes it fake. There are two reasonable options here... that the posting is not intended to hire anyone (or only one of two) is one and that they aren't hiring what they say is the other. Both are fake, neither is "my opinion" and between the two they are by far the most likely choice.
Only in Jaredverse would there be a 12 person company legitimately trying to hire two Windows NT system admins for a web design business with HXTML experience.
Do insane, incompetent, but well meaning SMBs exist? Of course. Are they the norm? Heck no.
IT Guy: Boss, I quit. This is my two week notice.
Boss: Can you stay, blah blah.
IT Guy: No, this is too much work for not enough money.
Boss: Ok.
<ring>
CyberCoders Script Monkey: How can we help you?
Boss: I need someone to run our computers.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Asks inane questions the boss has no idea about.
Boss: Answers inane questions randomly.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Anything else?
Boss: Make two listings so we can see how cheap we can go with this.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Done. Thanks.Yup, exactly. Making fake job postings to catfish and see how cheap it could be, if they were to decide to try hiring.
No, they are hiring, but only the cheapest, most desparate person they can find. Fake? No. Created by someone with no cepcept of WTF they were creating? Yes.
Incorrect? Yes. Intentionally Fake (catfishing)? No.
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But your description of how they got there - having someone create requirements based on nonsense to test the waters and see what the prices would be like, is totally fake all around.
By the way, I sent my "how to spot a fake job posting" to them with a note about how there is no way they didn't know this was fake when they sent it to me. They declined to respond. My guess is that if it was real, they'd have wanted to defend themselves given that CyberCoders is large and doesn't want people thinking that they are faking these to collect data.
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@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@jaredbusch said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
@scottalanmiller said in Spot the Fake Job Postings, Labor Day 2017:
Do you REALLY think that this 12 person company is hiring TWO system admins for Windows NT? If we are using "SMBs don't do stuff" let's be reasonable. A 12 person company does not hire two IT people for a single role. Let alone any role.
Having recently watched a SMB try to hire someone and get it all wrong, yeah, I can totally see this getting posted.
Just because it is not meeting your definitions and expectations, does not make it fake.
Could it be certainly.
That it is fake makes it fake. There are two reasonable options here... that the posting is not intended to hire anyone (or only one of two) is one and that they aren't hiring what they say is the other. Both are fake, neither is "my opinion" and between the two they are by far the most likely choice.
Only in Jaredverse would there be a 12 person company legitimately trying to hire two Windows NT system admins for a web design business with HXTML experience.
Do insane, incompetent, but well meaning SMBs exist? Of course. Are they the norm? Heck no.
IT Guy: Boss, I quit. This is my two week notice.
Boss: Can you stay, blah blah.
IT Guy: No, this is too much work for not enough money.
Boss: Ok.
<ring>
CyberCoders Script Monkey: How can we help you?
Boss: I need someone to run our computers.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Asks inane questions the boss has no idea about.
Boss: Answers inane questions randomly.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Anything else?
Boss: Make two listings so we can see how cheap we can go with this.
CyberCoders Script Monkey: Done. Thanks.Yup, exactly. Making fake job postings to catfish and see how cheap it could be, if they were to decide to try hiring.
No, they are hiring, but only the cheapest, most desparate person they can find. Fake? No. Created by someone with no cepcept of WTF they were creating? Yes.
Incorrect? Yes. Intentionally Fake (catfishing)? No.
If you create fake job postings to mislead and see how cheaply you can go, that's fake. Let's say they hire someone for the lower job, do you believe that they will still hire the upper one? If not, how is that not 100% fake?
And do you believe that the specs for either are accurate? If not, how is that not fake as well?
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An actual company wants to fill an actual role. The job posting is real.
What's fake is the title and duties of the job role.
